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IP Address Masking Confirmed As Mandatory[edit]

Per a recent update on the IP Masking project, Legal has apparently decided that IP masking is no longer desirable but mandatory, with consultation now limited to implementation form.

Thus far Legal have not provided reasoning on that, but they are set to give a statement (detail level unknown), likely in the next week.

As this will have a significant effect on anti-vandalism efforts, please provide your ideas, concerns, and comments on the discussion page on how to mitigate any negative consequences and utilise any potential positives. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

This link will be useful here--Ymblanter (talk) 11:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Looks like we need, and will have, an RFC on this. Alsee (talk) 09:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I believe that our traditional workflow is as follows:
  1. The W?F proposes something on an obscure meta page. Nobody notices.
  2. The W?F posts it somewhere else, and literally everyone who replies hates it.
  3. The W?F reaffirms their commitment to listening to user feedback.
  4. The W?F announces that they are going to go ahead and do it anyway and you can all go and pound sand.
  5. An RfC is posted. Hundreds of people contribute. The result is overwhelmingly negative.
  6. The W?F goes ahead and does what they were always planning on doing.
  7. The shit hits the fan, admins resign, The Signpost does a feature. Wikipediocracy does a feature. The Register does a feature. The Guardian does a feature. The New York Times does a feature.
  8. The board of directors tells the W?F to knock it off. Nobody gets fired or demoted.
  9. Return to start.
I will make popcorn. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Sometimes they skip step 4 and go straight to step 6, which we then follow with step 5. Extra butter, please. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Depiction of Wikipedia Foundation Wikimedia Foundation destroying Wikipedia with the Fram ban, IP masking, and the 2020 rebrand instead of making obvious but boring improvements to what we have. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 18:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
The W?F has thrown a lot of crap at us before, but basically saying "we want more vandals" is a new low. Popcorn tastes good. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 18:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

This might be a good next step. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I've said this elsewhere, but didn't gain much traction. Showing IP info to logged-in users isn't a problem. Exposing it to every anon, scraper and mirror is a problem. But W?F want to hide it from all of us. Pelagicmessages ) – (20:33 Thu 05, AEST) 10:33, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

  • There should be some freedom for project communities to decide which flag should include the technical right to see IPs. Some projects may decide to allow it to patrollers, other only for admins (W?F proposal doesn't even allow admins). Ain92 (talk) 20:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
What is the exact legal issue? Can wikipedia just encrypt the ip address with a different id for each edit? Wakelamp d[@[email protected]]b (talk) 13:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I think every edit should be randomized, so you never know who made what edit, on talk pages and articles. 100% mystery, even admin actions and Arb discussions. That would fix all our problems and make Wikipedia a great place to be an admin at. Maybe they will bump it up to that. Dennis Brown - 23:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I never thought I would wind up advocating that we suspend IP editing, but that now seems to be the sensible option, at least until the WMF has a solution in place and working reasonably well on a sizeable Wikipedia. ϢereSpielChequers 23:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Query about official publisher of Wikimedia websites[edit]

Please answer my following query

Who is the designated person in Wikimedia foundation who is designated as publisher and/or legally responible for content publshed on wikimedia foundation owned websites and domains ?

(Previously it was somebody called Lila Tretikov) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:4004:705A:9961:93A2:5896:349D (talk) 08:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation doesn't "own" Wikipedia per se. It hosts it, and owns its domain names and trademarks. Wikipedia itself is run by volunteers and individual editors retain the legal ownership of the material they contribute. I don't believe there's such a position as an individual "designated publisher". Lila Tretikov was the WMF's executive director between 2014 and 2016. The current executive director is Katherine Maher. – Joe (talk) 10:39, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I learned that the designated person is Tony Sebro, Deputy General Counsel, of Wikimedia Foundation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:4004:705A:9961:93A2:5896:349D (talk) 12:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Uploading non-free files locally to Wikipedia[edit]

Can users upload a non-free file locally to Wikipedia (not to the Commons) to use in discussions and then in an article. What are the restrictions and points to watch out for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:4004:705A:9961:93A2:5896:349D (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you may upload non free files to Wikipedia, keeping in mind WP:NFCC. Particularly, they must be used in an article once uploaded, and may not be used in other places, such as talk pages. --Izno (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
However, note that in order to upload a file locally to Wikipedia (whether a free or a non-free file), a user needs to be registered and WP:Autoconfirmed. Nsk92 (talk) 18:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
If you're not autoconfirmed, you can go to Wikipedia:Files for upload to request that a file be uploaded. Vahurzpu (talk) 02:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia, but with essays![edit]

Misplaced; the appropriate venue from suggesting new projects is meta:Proposals for new projects. (non-admin closure){{u|Sdkb}}talk 01:07, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This idea might seem really stupid… It could have been thought of before, because, let's be honest, it's hardly original. I'm just throwing it out there for the internet to judge. Maybe this project page is dedicated to submitting more developed ideas. If so, I apologise.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. As such, a more verbose style is generally discouraged. An enyclopedia, needless to say, has a rigid structure, which needs to be observed. Content needs to be rigidly structured, because most people don't read the article for its own sake -- they read it (or more accurately, they read the conveniently placed Google infobox) because they want to know when Charlemagne was born, not because they want a summarised version of his entire life, legacy and domestic policy.

The exception being people who want intimately familiarise themselves with Charlemagne. The sort of people who, when they're older, want to write a book called 'The Life and Times of Charlemagne'. They're probably going to use the Wikipedia article as a starting point (unless they've been tasked with doing an unimaginative middle school presentations, in which case it's probably going to be their only source). And while Wikipedia certainly is a good starting point, maybe there is room for something... more?

A collection of essays the wiki way: one essay for each viewpoint, edited collaboratively, to form a canon of the world's knowledge. Sure it might not an authoritative or definitive version, but it would be a slightly more centralised solution to a problem that is usually solved by a wide variety of blogs, explanation videos on YouTube, and longer-than-allowed Twitter threads.

A couple of possible failure modes:

  • Horcruxes: Wikipedia is already prone to edit warring. It turns out that people have wildly varying opinions about how to best display certain information. This problem might intensify if you're not just editing an objective Wikipedia article on epistemology, but writing an essay on epistemology that is potentially deeply intertwined with your own world view, you might get a bit touchy when someone else decides to overturn your delicious phrasing with their own cheap talk full of meaningless tautological redundancy. If you have an opposing viewpoint, you can of course just fork the essay, or rather, write a competing one, but people are probably going to be even more invested when they're not working on a purely non-personal article designed to represent the most popular arguments on a subject, and I don't think it would be wise to have 15 different essays on Wittgenstein and skepticism. To put it more poetically, the author might invest part of his soul into the creation of the essay, so that he may live forever in his position on the correct pronunciation of the word 'Quetzalcoatl' (I don't encourage writing essays about the pronunciation of words -- I'm just making a point).
  • Underrepresented viewpoints: As with Wikipedia, there would, naturally, be people who would contribute more than the average contributor. It would be safe to assume that essays reflecting on the viewpoints of these people might be better maintained, and perhaps better written, assuming that people with an extremely good grasp of the English (or any other) language are more likely to be more active on such a project.
  • Wildly varying quality: Again, a problem which isn't unique to this kind of project, but might be more strongly pronounced. You can start an article on Wikipedia by giving a short summary on the topic. You probably shouldn't write a five line long essay on a subject, and call it a day. It might also be more difficult for non-native speakers like me to contribute to essays, if we can't express ourselves well enough.
  • It's not an encyclopedia: There'll probably be a topic nobody cares enough to write an essay enough. Of course there'd be lots of essays on philosophy, economics, or politics. But maybe nobody's imagination is sparked by computational complexity. I don't know how this would play out in real life, so maybe it's not as bad as I make it out to be.

That would be it, essentially. Please excuse some of the more obvious (both syntactical and semantical) mistakes I've made, it's midnight here in Central Europe, and I'll go back to bed now. Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night! Milanandreew (talk) 23:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

So, Google Knol? --Izno (talk) 23:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I think it's an excellent idea, it's just not what we do on enwiki. But, I could absolutely see proposing this as a new WMF project. And as a sister project, it would be easy to have inter-wiki links, like the one just above to meta. It could share the m:Help:Unified login system so anybody with an account here would automatically have an account on the new wiki. And, since it's its own project, it wouldn't be hobbled by our notions of WP:NPOV, etc. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:58, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Medium (website)? Or any other blogging platform? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:36, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Proposal to change logo for 20th anniversary[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Proposal to change logo for 20th anniversary. Wug·a·po·des 22:46, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Problem with an image[edit]

I don't know of this is the right venue, but this link, the celebration link, leads to a page that includes [1] this image, which contains the copyrighted and trademarked 2018 FIFA World Cup logo. (CC) Tbhotch 04:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

It looks like a tiny screen shot to me. If that's not fair use, I don't know what is. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:14, 15 January 2021 (UTC)