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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion in Template:In the news (ITN), a protected Main Page template, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

Hank Aaron in 1974
Hank Aaron in 1974

How to nominate an item[edit]

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers[edit]

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.
  • Some jargon: RD refers to "recent deaths", a subsection of the news box which lists only the names of the recent notable deceased. Blurb refers to the full sentences that occupy most of the news box. Most eligible deaths will be listed in the recent deaths section of the ITN template. However, some deaths may be given a full listing if there is sufficient consensus to do so.
  • The blurb of a promoted ITN item may be modified to complement the existing items on the main page.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a WP:ITN/R item here because you disagree with current WP:ITN/R criteria (these can be discussed at the relevant Talk Page)
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Russian protests[edit]

Article: 2021 Russian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​People across Russia protest against the arrest of Alexey Navalny. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Front page news on CNN, BBC, etc. Either blurb or ongoing. Article is currently developing as events are unfolding. Brandmeistertalk 13:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose proseline. The background section is larger than the events themselves. Nothing in the target tells me, the reader, why this matters. 40,000 people marched? From where to where? Then what? Speeches? Police brutality? Putin resigned? What happened? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose unless it escalates to something more serious. For now, it seems like Putin firmly keeps everything under control and the number of arrests confirms it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Support – Widely covered. No. 1 story on main Eng.-lang RS sites. (Reuters sez 1,000-plus arrested.) – Sca (talk) 15:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    Russian opposition claims 1,600 arrested[1], but that's not a lot. Also Reuters claims 110k people protested across Russia, but Reuters is an American news organization and is clearly not independent from the U.S. foreign policy so I'm not sure if we can trust them given the state of cold war between the U.S. and Russia.5.44.170.9 (talk) 15:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Per Kiril Simeonovski. Relatively minor protests 5.44.170.9 (talk) 15:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    Let me remind users that Navalny became a high-profile international figure last year in connection with the KGB-style nerve-agent attack on him in Russia and his lengthy convalescence in Germany. – Sca (talk) 16:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support it's in the news, significant and large-scale, by the standards of a country as repressive as Russia. 2A02:A451:8B2D:1:C04F:6CAB:4650:3C70 (talk) 16:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, per IP. This is sufficiently unusual in Russia to merit attention and is being depicted in the press as a make-or-break moment for Navalny's movement. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Larry King[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Larry King (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American television and radio host Larry King dies at the age of 87. (Post)
News source(s): Official Twitter The Independent
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Announced by his media company. RS should follow pretty soon but that is imho sufficiently reliable. SoWhy 13:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to 109.249.185.61 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) for adding The Independent source. Regards SoWhy 13:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Patently trolling.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
  • Should be a blurb. Household name worldwide (quite unlike that literallywho Basketball player we just posted) 5.44.170.9 (talk) 13:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
We should keep both. No need to knock Hank Aaron (who played baseball, not basketball). UncomfortablySmug (talk) 13:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb: Major household name and easily the most famous on-air talent associated with CNN, especially internationally. His departure from the network also marked a significant turning point for cable news and heralded CNN's decline. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 13:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment just wait: "old man dies" not worthy of a blurb nonsense incoming...!! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Haters gonna hate LaserLegs Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Until his hopsitalization, King was still active as a host, so even less of "old man dies" here. --Masem (t) 14:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
We created RD to keep death blurbs from pushing other stories out of the box, so my threshold for a blurb is very high. No hate here. Will stop being "in the news" Monday morning. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb: Even Swedish media calls him "legendary" (as do French and Spanish). This is someone who made a splash all over the world. --cart-Talk 13:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb: Prefered to be a blurb. Vacant0 (talk) 13:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Blurb unless you can update the target article to show how king was "transformative" in the world of talk show interviews. He was no Mike Wallace, for example. We have guidelines for blurbs and King seems to fit RD perfectly. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Mike Who? That's a US POV. --cart-Talk 13:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • You're joking right? Mike Wallace basically invented the confrontational television interview and 60 Minutes was the reference implementation for a television news magazine. Oh and Mike Wallace was a key character in a major motion picture. You're really going to accuse me of "a US POV" when both Larry King and the more accomplished TV news host I compared him to are both American? Really? I mean..... --LaserLegs (talk) 13:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • What I meant was that Wallace might be more famous in the US than King, but living outside the US, I know exactly who King was but had never heard of Wallace. Outside the US, King was synonymous with US television for a long time. --cart-Talk 14:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I've got no clue who Mike Wallace is either.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • From a non-American POV, I’ve never heard of Mike Wallace, but I do know of Larry King. starship.paint (exalt) 14:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Did a little search and King is front page news on French, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, even Russian papers. --cart-Talk 14:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I subscribe to the view that Larry King was more famous worldwide and that's a very good reason to post a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Larry King was famous worldwide - agree with cart, I never heard of Mike Wallace on this side of the world JW 1961 Talk 14:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb if the CNs are fixed. BBC: King was a giant of US broadcasting who achieved worldwide fame for interviewing political leaders and celebrities. AP: King helped define American conversation for a half-century. starship.paint (exalt) 14:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb from another person outside the United States. Like it or not, his name is probably the first one that comes to mind when talking about television.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment It’s obvious that the most famous television journalist since Cronkite and a cultural icon deserves an entire blurb, not a simple recent death mention. Most people under 60 don’t even know who Mike Wallace is. Trillfendi (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • To be fair, I suspect most people under 60 outside the US don't know who Larry King was either, to be honest. Black Kite (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Apparently judging by the reaction, that isn’t the case. This was a man who was also in children’s tv shows and movies. Trillfendi (talk) 15:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Cronkite who? Anyway, just checked with my partner and my sibling. I didn’t know if they knew of Larry King, but they said yes. starship.paint (exalt) 15:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • As to Wallace being a character in a major motion picture, IMDb has King appearing in 67 movies. When directors wanted to show how famous the lead character was, they always had her/him being interviewed by King in some montage. This was going on until 2016. --cart-Talk 15:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Black Kite, lol I just scraped in - being 60 in a few weeks time from Ireland, most of us would know King :) JW 1961 Talk 15:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I knew who he was as well, but I did base that comment on a small representative sample i.e. (a) asking my kids (nope), then (b) asking my wife (answer: "basketball player, isn't he?") Black Kite (talk) 16:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • The sampling error of that particular subset would make any statistician's head spin.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Hey, it was 50% by gender, 50% under-45 and over-45, what more do you want? :) Black Kite (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Larry King was famous worldwide, he had a 63-year broadcasting career, which included 25 years as an interviewer on CNN's Larry King Live. - agree with cart. AbDaryaee (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb after the few CNs in the article are fixed. Also, this is not appearing as cut-and-dried as Hank Aaron, so recommend we make sure there's a clear concensus on a blurb (RD can go up rather quickly though). --Masem (t) 14:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • In case a blurb is supported, I've got the picture above into image protection queue so that it is ready to go. --Masem (t) 14:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Easily one of the, if not the, most famous talk show hosts out there. Why are we even talking about Mike Wallace? All coz of Laser "Devil's Advocate" Legs? RIP Larry Kingoflettuce (talk) 14:39, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose article contains a number of unreferenced claims. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 15:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb just for the record. I suggested this as RD since RD is certain but I agree that he was known around the world. I knew him and my g/f who I just asked knew him as well and we are both German. Not only was he famous for his work, he was also a staple in popular culture. A blurb would be more than appropriate imho. Regards SoWhy 15:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb definitely notable, not only in the US but also in journalism circles. Egeymi (talk) 16:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – RD only, per TRM, Legs. Where's the transformatization? – Sca (talk) 16:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb. We already have Hank Aaron up there atm; two American blurbs is two too many. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive."--WaltCip-(talk) 16:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Miller, Hayley; Moran, Lee (January 23, 2021). "Larry King, Iconic TV And Radio Interviewer, Dies At 87". HuffPost – via Yahoo!. He rose above personal tragedy, financial despair and half a dozen divorces to become one of the most revered and prolific interviewers in broadcasting. Dalton, Andrew; Moore, Frazier. "Larry King, broadcasting giant for half-century, dies at 87 January 23, 2021". Pittsburg Post-Gazette. Associated Press. 7&6=thirteen () 16:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Influential in the television broadcasting field, death reported with significant coverage and article in decent shape. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb. I'd certainly never heard of him, but most importantly none of the +votes have offered any serious explanation for his transformative importance in the field. There are plenty of high-profile journalists and interviewers but their importance is usually national-only. For what it's worth, I think we did include David Frost in 2013. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment As TRM and I have pointed out, this cannot be posted RD or Blurb until quality issues are resolved. Too many editors are arguing towards importance but forgetting the other major pillar for inclusion in the ITN box. --Masem (t) 17:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Cyclone Eloise[edit]

Article: Cyclone Eloise (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 4 people are killed in Mozambique from Cyclone Eloise. (Post)
News source(s): ReliefWeb The Guardian Nigeria Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Catastrophic situation unfolding. Uncommonly strong storm heading towards a poor country still recovering from Cyclone Idai, which killed 1,300 people and left 2,200 more missing. More deaths will occur. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 01:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support – This storm is still strengthening and is almost guaranteed to continue doing so all the way up to landfall. Which is imminent. The storm is going to strike Mozambique, a country that was devastated by Cyclones Idai and Kenneth back in 2019. The country hasn't yet recovered, and they recently experienced a landfall from Tropical Storm Chalane near the end of last month. This storm is guaranteed to have significant impacts on a region still recovering from a devastating storm, and as such, it warrants an ITN mention. There will be more damage, and there will almost certainly be more deaths. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 01:51, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, though I would think that the blurb should reflect the strength and ominous nature of the storm. As written, it sounds like a thing that happened and is done with. BD2412 T 01:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Eloise hasn't made landfall yet. It's quickly intensifying though. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 02:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose For now. Don't get too WP:CRYSTAL on us now, the storm hasn't made landfall yet, and so far the death toll is low. (Also, the article needs a bit of improvement) Gex4pls (talk) 02:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I've looked over your sources and it looks like (correct me if I'm wrong) the 3 deaths came from previous rains not associated with the storm, and the only death mentioned is in the reuters article, where they claim that one person has died in Madagascar. Gex4pls (talk) 02:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gex4pls: The 3 deaths were part of the moisture associated with the storm. The Reuters article mentions flooding days before the storm's arrival. The storm was very large and had a large moisture field, with sprawling rainbands. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 02:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh, makes sense then. Sorry about that. Gex4pls (talk) 02:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gex4pls: No worries! It's entirely fine to question the deaths/impact of a storm if the source is unclear. Cheers, ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 02:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment didn't we 86 posting some storms at the end of the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season because ITN was "not a storm ticker" or somesuch? What makes Eloise unique? Largest size? Highest wind speed? Largest storm surge? Unseasonable? Exceptionally high death toll or economic impact? Is there anything about this storm other than routine storm doing routine storm things? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – On lack of significance. The civil war in northern Mozambique, from which half a million have fled, seems far more important than the deaths of four people in a storm. – Sca (talk) 16:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Ongoing Removal: 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest[edit]

Article: 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The last significant update about the protests was a January 12th one-liner when the supreme court suspended the law. [1] The most recent protest was added on January 8th and was about protests which took place on December 24th. [2] Everything else from the 8th till now is ref improvements, copy edits, and commentary from both sides -- not protests. People disagree with laws all the time and make their cases in court, in the media, in elections, etc and that's what's going on here. The article is stale, the story is stale, and it needs to come down. LaserLegs (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

So, I am guessing you are not aware of the recent happenings. The article is in dire need of an update; yes, it needs to be off the main page in its present state. There have been pretty recent and major developments to the case, wherein the government proposed suspension of the said laws while the protesting party refused. There is a plan to take out a major rally on 26 Jan - India's Republic Day. If someone updates the article, this should remain on. It still is a pretty hot topic being covered by international media. 180.151.224.217 (talk) 01:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I don't follow the story, because I honestly don't care about it. I just evaluated the article against the WP:ITN#Ongoing_section criteria. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I honestly don't care about it Uh-huh. That should violate #4. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 05:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I read the article, I didn't scour the internet for news about the subject. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:37, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support I agree. Should be removed. WikiLove Goat (talk) 01:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose For now. All of the recent news about the subject doesn't seem impactful (of the four articles published within a week ago, 2 ([3], [4]) don't mean anything for the story, 1 ([5]) is about how the protests may end, and only 1 ([6]) appears to be real news.) However, it does appear that the people are at least still protesting, with a bit of coverage too. Gex4pls (talk) 13:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Then get it into the target article, that's what we're featuring on the main page for our WP:READERS --LaserLegs (talk) 14:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

January 22[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


(Ready) RD: Luton Shelton[edit]

Article: Luton Shelton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jamaica Football player Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: F. X. Sudjasmin[edit]

Article: F. X. Sudjasmin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The third deputy chief of staff of the Indonesian Army to come in the RD. Bear with me. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD: Hank Aaron[edit]

Proposed image
Article: Hank Aaron (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Hank Aaron (pictured), the second highest Major League Baseball career home run leader, dies at the age of 86. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​Baseball legend Hank Aaron dies at the age of 86.
Alternative blurb II: ​Baseball player Hank Aaron dies at the age of 86.
News source(s): https://www.al.com/sports/2021/01/baseball-icon-hank-aaron-dead-at-age-86.html
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The GOAT. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

  • A blurb maybe? Just putting it out there. 331dot (talk) 15:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb The greatest of all time, and a really well written article too. Not too many recent blurbs in ITN anyways --Rockin (Talk) 15:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Important Enough. Also, liked how you written the article. WikiLove Goat (talk 16:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb. Yes. Absolutely iconic in his field. Sui generis in every way. Even if you don't follow baseball closely, you've heard the name.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Definitely in favor of a blurb. He was the home run king for decades, this should be mentioned. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 16:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb article looks good. I would say he's the most notable player of baseball who was alive yesterday. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment legends speak for themselves, hence ALT2. The first blurb is too "in-universe". The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb per nom. Davey2116 (talk) 16:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Hank Aaron is considered a top 5 baseball player of all time, with only the long deceased Babe Ruth clearly ahead of him. Willie Mays is the only living baseball player on or above Hank Aaron's level (unless we want to include the steroid cheaters). See this as a reference. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb (alt2). Article appears to be fully referenced.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Alt2 Very big name in baseball. Article is in good shape. Gex4pls (talk) 16:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb Hero and history-maker -TenorTwelve (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Unanimous support. Now's the admin part to post this. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support blurb. A tremendous baseball player and a civil rights leader. -- Calidum 17:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Blurb Household name even for people who don't follow baseball. Mlb96 (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
    I don't disagree with the posting, but I think your idea of what a 'household name' is does not apply to most of the English-speaking world. Modest Genius talk 18:46, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
    Indeed, I have never read of this man, although I have read of Babe Ruth. starship.paint (exalt) 00:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment @331dot: I don't think anyone is going to judge you if you decide to post this given the unanimous support.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
    You mean we don't need to wait for every timezone to chip in?-- P-K3 (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
    Got beaten to it, but thanks for the confidence WaltCip. 331dot (talk) 17:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
    If HiLo raises a fuss, we can have that discussion then.--WaltCip-(talk) 18:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted blurb No-brainer. Will followup on the picture. --Masem (t) 17:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
    • And pic in place. --Masem (t) 17:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Never heard of him. Support, of course Black Kite (talk) 17:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support - major news. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Should be moved to recent deaths. WikiLove Goat (talk 19:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Why?--WaltCip-(talk) 19:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Because it is a recent death. WikiLove Goat (talk 20:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Important deaths can be posted to ITN, not RD. See Ruth Bader Ginsburg a couple months back. Gex4pls (talk) 20:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Note for future reference the "5th greatest" in a sport was herein considered to warrant a full death blurb. 205.175.106.98 (talk) 21:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • ... the reason he's being posted is because he is also an extremely important icon in the civil rights movement. He got a standing ovation in the deep south in 1974 for breaking Babe Ruth's record. That's an insane accomplishment. It's not just because of his ranking (which is impressive all on its own). -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 21:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Futile Oppose He was 86 and died, his real newsworthy accomplishments came decades ago. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb, just so it's on the record. I love baseball and Aaron, but I don't see what makes this blurbworthy. This isn't a surprising death, and while it's true he's one of the best to ever swing a bat, he isn't worshipped on the scale of, say, one of the best footballers ever. As for the civil rights angle, it's pretty broad and hard to fit Aaron into as easily as, say, someone like Jackie Robinson. (What makes him greater in that aspect than someone like John Lewis, who was yanked from ITN quite resoundingly?) Nohomersryan (talk) 23:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
He also isn't reviled on the scale of one of the best footballers ever, if you know who I mean. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
yanked from ITN quite resoundingly: Looking back at the the Lewis nom, it seems that 24h of very strong blurb support got pulled for a few hours of non-rebutted, post-blurb opposes. The post-pull comments were harsh on the removal. "resoundingly" is open to debate.—Bagumba (talk) 04:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I was referring specifically to the comments made after the posting, which seemed unanimously negative. I figured this would be the same kind of nomination that attracts a flurry of supports for a blurb, only to crumble when it's actually posted. Guess I'm no clairvoyant. Nohomersryan (talk) 05:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Blurb NOTMANDELA. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Its the "Thatcher–Mandela rule".—Bagumba (talk) 02:50, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Blurb in the strongest terms. This is the whole reason the RD section exists, and quite frankly there are bigger things to put in the news box This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Please propose those "bigger things" for posting. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support A legend for the sport of baseball. The fact that there might be other ITN/C is irrelevant. Nihlus 01:20, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Leaning support blurb after the fact, given remarkable achievements both as an athlete and as a civil rights figure. BD2412 T 02:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb - unknown to many around the world who died of old-age. I guess only Babe Ruth would have qualified for a blurb. Depressed Desi (talk) 08:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Strongly oppose blurb - does not seem to meet the criteria at https://en.jinzhao.wiki/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recent_deaths#Blurbs_for_recent_deaths i.e. not a transformative figure on the world stage. Also, completely unknown outside the US. This is a world encyclopedia, not a US encyclopedia. MurielMary (talk) 09:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
    Not at all. I don't know baseball that well and I don't live in the US but I have heard of Aaron and his death is being reported in the UK (BBC.co.uk, The Guardian, Daily Telegraph etc etc). Also making headlines in other countries such as Canada, Germany, Australia, India etc etc etc. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Global recognition is not a requirement for any ITN posting, if it were, very little would be posted. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Observation - this discussion makes an interesting comparison with this one about a different top-of-their-field "national icon" (leaving aside the technical issue of whether that article initially needed a tad more work). Davidships (talk) 11:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support blurb is referred to quite literally as a "legend" of baseball. The "old man dies" argument is ridiculous, do we think if Pele dies we won't blurb it?? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I have noticed a few people citing his civil rights accomplishments as reason to post, but I'm not familiar with them and when I go to the article, CTRL+F "civil rights" returns zero results. If it's just his status as an accomplished black player through the civil rights era, I get it but the article doesn't make it seem important (the term "black" is only mentioned twice in the article). I am leaning support though because of his numerous baseball accomplishments and how well-known he was. TarkusABtalk/contrib 13:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Post posting Support blurb The bottom line is that he was an influential figure and the article is in good shape PERIOD. The “he’s old” argument is overused and frankly a weak one (everyone gets old, even influential figures) TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Meherzia Labidi Maïza[edit]

Article: Meherzia Labidi Maïza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Univers News (in French)
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Tunisian politician died overnight of 21/22 January. I've updated the article with her death - Dumelow (talk) 07:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

January 21[edit]

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RD: Nathalie Delon[edit]

Article: Nathalie Delon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:
Article updated

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 AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Dave Bolton[edit]

Article: Dave Bolton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; NSWRL; Wigan Post
Credits:

Article updated

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(Closed) Resignation of Canada's Governor General[edit]

Clear opposition to this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Julie Payette (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Governor General of Canada, Julie Payette, resigns following the release of a report by the Privy Council Office accusing her of harassment of civil servants. (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Sun
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Resignation of Canada's head of state. Not sure if this is ITN/R, but it's the first time in modern history that a governor general has resigned in Canada. Article is decently sourced but will need some improvement (notably under "Honours") Floydian τ ¢ 22:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I'm from the U.S. and don't know Canadian politics. I've read that Payette has direct communication with the queen but is not the queen. ~ Destroyeraa🌀🇺🇸 23:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
The Queen is the head of state. The governor general is her representative. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
No worries, you're already half Canadian with that unnecessary apology :) In commonwealth countries, the Prime Minister is the head of government, and the Queen is head of state. The Governor General is the representative of the Queen for that nation. Purely ceremonial role really, but still a very high ranking political office none-the-less. - Floydian τ ¢ 23:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Some Commonwealth countries. There are 31 Commonwealth nations that are republics, and the Queen is not the head of state. -dmmaus (talk) 00:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Yes, the governor general is the representative of the head of state of Canada, which makes it a pretty important position, important enough to be listed at List of current heads of state and government. But the Prime Minister is the one with all of the power, so I don't think this is notable enough for ITN, unless we're planning on making positions like the president of Israel, the president of Italy, the prime minister of Bahrain, and other similar positions ITN/R. The one thing that might be notable about this is that Payette is the first governor-general in Canadian history to resign because of a scandal. (P.S. nominator's comment is incorrect, as Romeo LeBlanc also resigned, albeit due to health reasons, so it wasn't a spicy resignation.) NorthernFalcon (talk) 23:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Resignations happen all of the time, and apparently the position is purely ceremonial, so I don't really see the importance here. Gex4pls (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Ceremonial position. Unless if it was a significant controversy, this should not be at ITN. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 00:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose No small cheese, she commands the armed forces, but details of the allegations are sketchy now, prone to rumour and innuendo (for starters, the report was not released). InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose unless it triggers a constitutional crisis of King-Byng proportions. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 02:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose This resignation doesn't seem to portend anything for now. If it somehow affects the government and Trudeau eventually resigns as a result, then posting a blurb will be a no-brainer.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – Per previous posts regarding slight political significance. – Sca (talk) 14:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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2021 Baghdad bombings[edit]

Article: 2021 Baghdad bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At least 32 are killed and 110 are wounded in a suicide attack in Baghdad, Iraq. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; CNN; Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major suicide attack, first of it's kind and magnitude in 3 years. Gex4pls (talk) 22:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - easily notable enough & the article is sufficient. Jim Michael (talk) 22:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support: Definitely a major news story that merits greater coverage, especially given the U.S.' role in creating these conditions. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 23:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Missing too much Who, How and Why. Basically a stub, like a hundred before. These feeling new again is no excuse. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
ISIL claimed it; explosive belts, strapped to the bombers in a busy marketplace; to try to force Iraq to submit to becoming part of an ISIL-ruled caliphate.
Had this happened in the Western world, it would have been posted within minutes of being nominated, with every comment strongly in favour of that. Suicide bombings having been common in Iraq from 2003-2017 doesn't make this double bombing less notable. Jim Michael (talk) 10:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support – Per previous. The first such attack in three years; claimed by 'IS' – with more than 100 wounded. – Sca (talk) 14:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
For the 999th time, IS isn't an "IS-affiliated website", Amaq News Agency is (social media presence, anyway). Seriously, this isn't hard, never has been. Simply read past the headlines, read past the headlines, read past the headlines! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Amaq is the propaganda arm of IS. Jim Michael (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support I can see this event important enough. WikiLove Goat (talk 16:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Significant death toll, international coverage and good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment this really is another disaster stub, and like every other one we post it'll not be expanded once it rolls off the main page. No one will ever be held to account for it, nothing will change in the Iraqi security situation because of it, once the wire services stop covering it the English speaking world will never think of it again, unless it's needed as filler for OTD. Could we please stop posting these rubbish articles? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
LaserLegs Could you stop putting the English speaking world over everyone else? A person killed in a bombing in Iraq is no less significant than one in the States. Just because people there don't/can't edit here doesn't make it less newsworthy. 180.151.224.217 (talk) 01:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
People in Iraq can edit en WP, providing they understand English & have internet access. Jim Michael (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
It's the English Wikipedia. Not sure what else to say. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Writing in English doesn't mean that we should favour the Anglosphere. Prosecution & change in a country's situation aren't requirements for posting. If you think the article could & should be improved, you're welcome to do so. Jim Michael (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose like LaserLegs says, this has almost no value from an encyclopedic perspective and could be covered in a single line in a "list of terrorist attacks in Iraq" article. There's no long-lasting value, nothing will change as a result of this, no-one notable was killed, nothing notable was destroyed. It doesn't make it any less tragic but it does call into question the entire EV of the story and certainly isn't something I'd expect to see in the top 365 news stories of this year. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
It couldn't be covered in a single line, or even a single, short paragraph. Your arguments could be used to reject the vast majority of mass murders. Would you be against posting this article had this double suicide bombing which killed over 30 people happened in NYC, London or Paris? The mass media give stories priority based on popularity, but we don't. Jim Michael (talk) 12:48, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes it could. "A double bombing in Baghdad which killed 32 people was claimed by IS. Everyone else condemned it." And yes, I regularly vote down "mass murders" in regions where mass murders are commonplace. It would be fascinating to see where this article is in a year. As LaserLegs calls them, they are "disaster stubs" and usually remain that way, simply because they have no encyclopedic value. And yes, if a double suicide bombing afflicted New York, London, or Paris, of course it would be newsworthy, because they are not war zones and mass murder through bombings in those locations is far from commonplace. This is about context. This particular event would not make the top 365 news stories of the year. Probably not even the top 1000. See also: Category:Suicide bombings in Baghdad, Category:Suicide bombings in London, Category:Suicide bombings in New York and Category:Suicide bombings in Paris. Cheers! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Mass murders ceased to be common in Iraq 3 years ago. Many fatal bombings have occurred in London and Paris (London attack & Paris attacks lists them). The main reason for there being less media coverage of the Baghdad bombings is that the public are less interested in them. Jim Michael (talk) 13:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) Kamala Harris[edit]

WP:SNOW. 1) This is basically a more niche version of the previously proposed inauguration blurb. 2) The only support is from an SPA. (non-admin closure) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: Kamala Harris (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Kamala Harris becomes the first female, Black, and Asian Vice President of the United States (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post; NYTimes; The Guardian; Hong Kong Standard
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (January 20)
  • Support This is a history setting event in the United States and was globally covered in the top news. It was also one of the highest viewed inaugurations due in part to enforcement of pandemic social distancing rules and the security crisis in the wake the pro-Trump attack on the US Capitol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:85:C100:16A1:0:0:0:1006 (talk) 02:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Please use Template:ITN candidate for this (and future) nominations, as RD (Recent Deaths) implies that the subject has died, which is not the case in this situation. Gex4pls (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose We have posted the elections but not the inauguration per consensus. I think this blurb is a trivial extension of the inauguration. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The election result was posted on ITN in November; there is no need to post an ITN item for the inauguration as well. Chrisclear (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Affirmed at the point of the election results. --Masem (t) 04:59, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Due to fact it needs to respect the election results that was posted in WP:ITN in November 2020, which she already won alongside with Joe Biden. 180.242.50.227 (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Contrary to popular belief, being born a certain way is not an accomplishment, nor is it a matter of historical import. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 06:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose and closer per WP:SNOW. This is pure trivia. Also, the blurb is racist.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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January 20[edit]

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RD: Aslan Byutukayev[edit]

Article: Aslan Byutukayev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A member of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. I don't know if this is appropriate to put it in the RD section. I would withdraw this RD nom if deemed inappropriate. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment Once the person has an article they are deemed notable enough for RD, So the only things that have to be checked are quality of the article and its referencing (I'll come back and read this one later) JW 1961 Talk 14:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. Seems fine to me. @Joseywales1961:, did you have an opinion? Otherwise, seems ready to me. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: Mira Furlan[edit]

Article: Mira Furlan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actress best known for playing Delenn on Babylon 5. Prose in good shape but short filmography needs sourcing. Masem (t) 05:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment – filmography all sourced now. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - Brief article, but I think sufficient for an RD and now fully sourced. Took the liberty of removing an IP edit that had snuck in an unsourced addition to the filmography. Miyagawa (talk) 17:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Satis. WikiLove Goat (talk 16:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. Sad and unexpected, but the article seems in good order. Nsk92 (talk) 22:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mulyadi Tamsir[edit]

Article: Mulyadi Tamsir (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sindonews
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Victim of the Sriwijaya Air 182; body has just been identified on 20 January. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak OpposeSupport Well sourced but a stub, only has two sections. Article's been fixed up now. Changing to support.Gex4pls (talk) 16:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gex4pls: I'll change it to a start. It is over 300 char above stub if we used the DYK counter. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose Limited depth of coverage, per above. SpencerT•C 02:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment @Gex4pls and Spencer: I have expanded the article by two-and-a-half fold, please check again. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Nice job, I think the Personal Life and Death sections could be merged, but other than that seems good. Gex4pls (talk) 13:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support I hadn't seen the article before the recent expansion, but certainly the current version meets the requirements IMO. Miyagawa (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Important Enough. Also, liked how you written the article. WikiLove Goat (talk 16:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. Much improved, nice work. SpencerT•C 21:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: John Baptist Kaggwa[edit]

Article: John Baptist Kaggwa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monitor (Uganda)
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ugandan Roman Catholic bishop. Looks to be reasonable - Dumelow (talk) 08:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Spencer, I've added some more information now if you'd be able to take another look - Dumelow (talk) 10:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose Not important enough, but liked how you written the article. WikiLove Goat (talk 16:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
@WikiLove Goat:Notability is no longer a restraint on RD noms, if they have an article they are eligible :/ Gex4pls (talk) 18:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James Cross[edit]

Article: James Cross (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; CTV News; Montreal Gazette
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (January 20) Bloom6132 (talk) 00:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Article is pretty good, but a bit on the short side. Gex4pls (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is well referenced and in good shape. Key figure in one of the biggest incidents in Canadian politics. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: the "histori.ca" and "crimelibrary.com" domains no longer appear to be active so it's hard to judge their reliability. Any opinions? - Dumelow (talk) 16:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted, thanks for the extra info - Dumelow (talk) 19:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sibusiso Moyo[edit]

Article: Sibusiso Moyo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; BBC News; Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 19:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Posted - Dumelow (talk) 08:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

(Closed) 2021 Madrid explosion[edit]

Unanimous opposition to what is seemingly a non-noteworthy event. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: 2021 Madrid explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​An explosion caused by a gas leak in Madrid, Spain kills at least three people and injures at least eight others. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Article is a light at the moment as this has just happened and news networks are likely focused elsewhere. Masem (t) 17:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Gas explosions which cause fatalities are common. Frankly, I question whether this incident is even notable enough to have an article. Mlb96 (talk) 19:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose – "Caused by a gas leak." [7] Fairly frequent. Minor. – Sca (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose accident, hard to believe it even warrants an encyclopedic article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose not a national catastrophe like the Beirut explosion Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There have been many explosions with higher death counts within the last two months, and we don't post those (for good reason) Gex4pls (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
BBC seems to have killed their story – at least the link doesn't work anymore.Sca (talk) 23:10, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Because there's an errant "n" in the URL. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 23:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Oh. Fixed. – Sca (talk) 23:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
For context, in the time since nommed an explosion at an uzbekistani power plant has killed three.[8] Gex4pls (talk) 02:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
And 32 killed by suicide bombers in Baghdad. [9]Sca (talk) 15:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Closed) Inauguration of Joe Biden[edit]

WP:SNOW. The nominator themselves opposed it; de facto withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 13:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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  • Oppose Biden's election was posted on ITN in November; there is no need to post an ITN item for his inauguration as well. Chrisclear (talk) 10:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • (ec) We don't usually post inaugurations, which are just formalities; we posted the election. We did post Obama's first one due to its unique nature, but the only first Biden is setting is that he is old. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Comment I agree that this item should not be posted. Chrisclear (talk) 10:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Chrisclear Why did you nominate it if you don't think it should be posted? 331dot (talk) 10:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
        • Because I might not be on Wikipedia in a few hours to oppose it then. Chrisclear (talk) 10:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
          • Chrisclear Please don't make a nomination unless you support the item being nominated. We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it, especially if the only reason is because the nominator simply won't be on Wikipedia later. That's just the way it is, none of us can be here 24/7. As I said, we don't generally post inaugurations. In the event that it was posted per a consensus, consensus can change; we can and have removed posted items. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
            • Regarding "We don't preemptively nominate something to reject it", is that a policy or something you are merely requesting? Chrisclear (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
              • I'm not sure what the difference is, given that many practices here are not written down, but I am requesting that you not preemptively nominate something for the simple reason that you won't be around when it might be nominated. If everyone did that, this page would be impossible to manage, sorting out good faith nominations from those just wanting to get their opinion in. The instructions on this page are for those who wish to "suggest a candidate"; you are not suggesting a candidate, you are preemptively nominating something you don't want. That is not nominating a candidate. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
    • (ec) Just to make sure, you made a nomination with the rationale that it should not be posted? Did we post Trump's? If not, we probably should not post Biden's either, unless there is some extra addition to the blurb, like the extraordinary level of security (which is what is a thing most media focus on these days). --Tone 10:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Tone Noting that we did not post the Trump inauguration(hard to link to but the discussion is in the archive). We did post Obama's due to its historic nature. 331dot (talk) 11:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
        331dot, here's the link for the Trump inauguration: [[Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/January_2017#[Closed]_Inauguration_of_Donald_Trump]] Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:11, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose and close. The Nominator doesn't even want this posted, so why are we discussing it? As above, we posted the election and there's no need to also post the inauguration as it follows directly from that. Unless some unrest occurs or something, but that would be a separate story in its own right to be discussed if and when it happens.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose of course if something untoward happens like one of the orange followers goes rogue, we can consider it, but this is a run-of-the-mill part of the process, not noteworthy. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

*Support I hate to be different this time but I think I should. The inauguration event would be one of the most watched event this world. Even from my-country-centric point of view this is very notable. One of the main tv channel in my country has even scheduled a live report. This, this, and this too. If the nominator opposes this I'll take over. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 10:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Jeromi Mikhael This is just a formality; it has long been known Biden will be president starting at noon(even if Trump and the rioters did not know). No first is being set here as with Obama. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Argh, this again. If that's the case then there should be an ITN policy that says "do not nominate news items that discuss a) regular events with a clearly determined outcome beforehand; b) ceremonies and formalities" Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Jeromi Mikhael We used to list it in ITNR as something we don't do, but it was removed. The election was the notable story here, not the formalization of its result. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Well, if that's the case. I believe I'm not a newcomer here, but the lack of any formal criterion for ITN blurbs still confuses me to this day. I see that "The election, not the inauguration" has already been an informal criterion amongst the regulars here. Someone should really make an unofficial guide to ITN blurbs. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose The results of the elections have already been posted. Yes, it will be an act seen by millions of people around the world (including me), but it's still something ordinary that, as they say above, is never published. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment For someone who oppose the posting of this event to become the blurb, it is major event that had significant attention around the world. I rather wait for this to be posted until Joe Biden is actually inaugurated at noon EST, after that it can be discussed whether the blurb can be posted or not. 180.242.50.227 (talk) 10:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
You seem to be saying that it should be posted and then we should discuss whether or not it should be posted? 331dot (talk) 11:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - for Trump, we posted his inauguration as a secondary mention, two days after the event, but the main focus of that story was the 2017 Women's March that occurred because of the inauguration, not the event itself. As for Obama, back in 2009 we did post his first inauguration, but looking at that it feels like ITN was a different beast back then. There are seven stories posted, and each one is less than a line in length. And the discussion was just a couple of people saying let's do it. In 2013, the proposal to post Obama's second inauguration was roundly opposed. So I'd say precedent is that, in the current ITN format, we don't post unless there's something special about it.
  • Oppose - Close it. STSC (talk) 13:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Don Sutton[edit]

Article: Don Sutton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support Perfectly structured and well-referenced. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article looks great and the update is sufficient. Rest in peace, I'll greatly miss his commentary. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 04:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 05:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting Support Was going to suggest Blurb, but the provided obit sent me into an endless redirect, what's readable seems OK. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: V. Shanta[edit]

Article: V. Shanta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express ,The Times of India
Credits:
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Nominator's comments: She was awarded the Padma Vibhushan, the second highest civilian award given by the Government of India.One of India's best cancer specialists. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Changing to Support - updated and cited JW 1961 Talk 13:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment The Rambling Man, Joseywales1961, I've added in a section about her death, with a citation from an RS. Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI converse | fings wot i hav dun 02:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Almost there, but could use some additional cleanup to be more encyclopedic (e.g. "complained of chest pain, and was rushed to hospital." could use some rewording) and better organized (For example, there is info about her role in the Adyar Cancer Institute that is not mentioned anywhere in the body of the article, and is unreferenced.) SpencerT•C 00:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
    Spencer, Greetings. I have taken a pass at fixing these issues and some reorganizing of content. Happy to make any additional edits, but, I think this is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 02:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Important Enough. Also, liked how you written the article. WikiLove Goat (talk 19:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Ready) RD: James D. Heiple[edit]

Article: James D. Heiple (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Impeached justice of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Article looks OK, I've fixed some references - Dumelow (talk) 08:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Of medium length but well sourced and written well. Gex4pls (talk) 14:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Outside of the link to the Baby Richard case (with no additional detail about his decision in the case), little is written about his judicial career itself in the article. Additionally, it's not clear what the role of the "Illinois Courts Commission" was in his impeachment. It is alluded to once, but it is not clear what role that they played. SpencerT•C 00:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Would really like to see more about is judicial career outside of that decision; it's pretty unbalanced tbh. SpencerT•C 21:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose due to WP:NPOV concerns. Short article currently seems too dominated by text of the traffic stops and impeachment investigation. That can be balanced by a bit more about his judicial decisions.—Bagumba (talk) 08:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  • That's the only decision mentioned in his obits. And in this 1998 journal article about the debacle. There's this decision he wrote in 2000 on reckless driving, but that reaches the level of WP:HTRIVIA. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020–21 Central African general election[edit]

Proposed image
Article: 2020–21 Central African general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Faustin-Archange Touadéra (pictured) is elected for a second term as President of the Central African Republic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Faustin-Archange Touadéra (pictured) is re-elected as President of the Central African Republic.
News source(s): AP, AfricaNews
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: The Constitutional Court has confirmed the incumbent's win. Joofjoof (talk) 20:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Support Article is well-structured and all parts are referenced. African news items are quite underrepresented here in English Wikipedia, so I'm quite glad to see some of these came into light in the ITN. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Its an election. Pretty good article too. Gex4pls (talk) 15:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posting as soon as the image is protected at Commons. Now Posted. Black Kite (talk) 01:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gatot Sudjito[edit]

Article: Gatot Sudjito (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

  • @The Rambling Man: Apologies, I am an en-1, could you explain to me what is the meaning of "bar" in your sentence? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @The Rambling Man: The article has been linked to two different articles: his alma mater and his birthplace. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) Ice hockey championship host change[edit]

Withdrawn. Brandmeistertalk 09:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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Article: 2021 Men's Ice Hockey World Championships (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The International Ice Hockey Federation changes the host of the 2021 men's ice hockey world championships. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The International Ice Hockey Federation moves the 2021 men's ice hockey world championships from Belarus to another location.
News source(s): IIHF
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Somewhat a historic decision in a top-tier tournament and another signal for Lukashenko-Putin duo. The final location hasn't been announced yet, Latvia is considered. Brandmeistertalk 20:13, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Changes /rescheduling of these events are trivial matters for ITN. --Masem (t) 20:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not significant enough for ITN. P-K3 (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Nothing important, just a host change. Gex4pls (talk) 03:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality. The target article is mostly tables.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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(New) RD: Sharon Begley[edit]

Article: Sharon Begley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Journalist and Science reporter. Death announced on January 17. Article meets hygiene requirements for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 01:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sammy Nestico[edit]

Article: Sammy Nestico (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KUSI, NAFME
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Unfortunately this one's a long shot - his article needs a refjob badly, there's not much there to update, and I'm fairly sure he's mostly unknown outside of jazz bands/fans. Arranged a ton of stuff for Count Basie and had a ton of compositions for school jazz bands. -- a lad insane (channel two) 08:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Abel Gabuza[edit]

Article: Abel Gabuza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: South African archbishop, Covid-19. Article looks reasonable - Dumelow (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment - Invisible article. STSC (talk) 10:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Doh, now fixed Dumelow (talk) 10:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Nikolay Antoshkin[edit]

Article: Nikolay Antoshkin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Russian air force general and politician who was awarded Hero of the Soviet Union for his role in Chernobyl clean-up efforts. Covid. Davey2116 (talk) 06:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose but support if resolved. I've noticed that one of the article's main sources, www.warheroes.ru, has a forum on the side. In the forum, I found what seems to be a place for new article submissions. The third-from-top channel forum says: Новые биографии: Сюда выставлять готовые материалы, для публикации на сайте (New biographies: place ready-made materials here for publication on the site). Could someone who understands Russian investigate if there is any editorial process for the biography materials in the forum? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: The vast bulk of the Military career section relies on 1 reference as mentioned above. Is there any secondary referencing we can use to confirm the info? SpencerT•C 04:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Neutral Full of opinion, but great article. WikiLove Goat (talk 19:11, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Phil Spector[edit]

Article: Phil Spector (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, Rolling Stone, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating

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Nominator's comments: Please note: TMZ is the only current "quality" RS reporting this (Brit tabloids are next, and...) and while TMZ has generally avoided jumping the gun, I'm looking for better confirmation. Article is a ways away from posting if this is confirmed. (needs a better source) Masem (t) 16:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Rolling Stone. gobonobo + c 16:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Just saw that, so confirmed. --Masem (t) 16:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
So did the Washington Post. But we should be asking ourselves if a murderer should be posted there. Trillfendi (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
RD doesn't care about the ethics of the bio. --Masem (t) 16:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
People get denied for much pettier reasons. Trillfendi (talk) 16:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Citation needed Spman (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment The article quality is not there yet, but I would support a blurb in principle - "among the most influential figures in pop music history" as our article says. P-K3 (talk)
  • Oppose tagged. Would consider a blurb as per P-K3's observation, although it is questionable to give a murderer a blurb. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb, Oppose RD until everything is fully referenced. Mjroots (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support RD only – when deemed presentable. A known name to several generations, but his age and history militate against a blurb. – Sca (talk) 19:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb for deciding to kill an innocent woman, should have stuck to producing beloved family entertainment, petty but true! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not a chance.--WaltCip-(talk) 23:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
What are you opposing, exactly? The item has been nominated for RD. Nsk92 (talk) 01:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb solely due to significance; if neither Chuck Yeager nor Little Richard got blurbs, neither does Spector. The whole "he's a murderer so doesn't deserve one" smacks of RGW IMO (we could've posted Manson, and I don't remember if we did). – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 00:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
    Manson was posted as RD, there was no consensus for a blurb. [11] P-K3 (talk) 00:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
    Looking at that discussion it appears that none (or at most very few) of the blurb opponents were doing so because of any moral/Son-of-Sam compunction, but rather due to notability, which I agree with. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 00:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
    Even accepting him as a famous murderer, he's not in my Top Ten of transformative or proficient ones. The Son of Sam totally is. Spector's one sloppy hit mainly just changed public perception of himself, dragging his otherwise A-level music career down to an asterisked A. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
    Fair enough. I only have issue with using the murder as the sole reason to oppose a blurb. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 01:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
    I was in a rush, but will now also add that fading away after 80 did this story no favours. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support RD, leaning oppose blurb. A significant figure in the history of music, but not in the most significant roles in the field. He neither performed nor wrote songs. He took works created by others and produced them well. BD2412 T 00:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per current orange banners, oppose blurb. - Indefensible (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality. And why the heck are people saying they oppose a blurb when this is just an RD nomination? Am I missing some context here? 106.208.66.63 (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
    'Cuz several users said early on they would support a blurb. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
    I showed up fifth and just wanted to fit in. I felt cool, at first. But looking back, you're right, should have opposed the RD listing. Too late to change now, though. I'll remember to stay focused for our inevitable O.J. Simpson "trial", thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose RD as too many unsourced and tagged claims that need verification (BLP still applies). Oppose blurb regardless as the subject is too controversial to sum up in a manner that would be generally accepted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Spector was famous for producing bankable but artistically corrupt work. He was certainly influential for a time, but he was more infamous than famous, even before the murder. The sui generis rule for blurbs tends to inflate figures in the popular arts. There is no way we'd be blurbing the 28th most important person in modern astronomy. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Over 1.6 million views in two days. Just sayin' ... 7&6=thirteen () 13:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Please do not pontificate (2)(3) without a license. – Sca (talk) 15:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jubril Martins-Kuyer[edit]

Article: Jubril Martins-Kuye (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Premium Times (Nigeria)
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Nigerian former minister, basics are there. I'll see if I can tidy it up a bit - Dumelow (talk) 12:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Philip Wilson (bishop)[edit]

Article: Philip Wilson (bishop) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Former Archbishop of Adelaide. Got into a sexual abuse scandal a couple years back. Article is pretty well-referenced in my opinion, I just added an extra one for a previously uncited statement. Juxlos (talk) 09:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Weak oppose it's in decent condition but more than half of the entire bio is dedicated to (yet another) child abuse scandal. With a main article. I think here it could be summarised down significantly. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support - I agree, there's too lengthy content about the child abuse cases but overall the article seems OK. STSC (talk) 11:13, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Important Enough. Also, liked how you written the article. WikiLove Goat (talk 20:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) LauncherOne[edit]

Article: LauncherOne (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: LauncherOne becomes the first liquid-fueled aircaft-launched rocket to reach orbit. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Virgin Orbit performs the first successful launch of LauncherOne, a liquid fuelled orbital rocket launched from an aircraft
News source(s): WaPo, Space.com, Guardian, BBC, Bloomblerg
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: The first successful launch of a liquid-fueled rocket from an airplane to reach orbit. (Also delivered 10 mini-satellites for NASA). As such, I believe the item qualifies for ITNR: "The first and last launches of any type of rocket." The article seems to be fairly well referenced. There is one 'clarification needed' tag in the lede that still needs to be addressed (or that sentence removed). Nsk92 (talk) 02:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

  • This is ITNR and the article seems reasonably developed, but there are a bunch of uncited statements that I've tagged with {{cn}}. Those need references before posting. I've also added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 12:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, I have added a number of references that addressed all of the 'cn' and 'update needed' tags. Nsk92 (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
Support. There's one cn left in the table, but I don't think that's worth holding up posting. Nice work. Modest Genius talk 15:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, thank you. I had missed that tag in the table. Upon further review, I removed that item from the table as it appears to be obsolete. An Oct 31, 2020 news report[12] indicates that when Virgin Orbit acquired a stake in Sky and Space Global, they cancelled their lauch contract. The report says that "The contract would be replaced by two other agreements", including an "A$1 million per annum launch services and consulting agreement, commencing on 1 July 2021". But there are no specific new launch dates mentioned there or in any other articles covering the stake acquisition. So until and unless new information becomes available, I took the line about that planned launch out of the table. Nsk92 (talk) 17:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support surprised to see the bias towards politics and disasters that ITN has been going for lately. 2601:602:9200:1310:20AD:98FB:41D9:D7C6 (talk) 20:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • It's now been 36 hours since this ITNR nomination and no-one has any remaining objections. Marking ready, despite the low number of support !votes. Modest Genius talk 13:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Absence of posted opposition isn't prima facie evidence of a consensus to post. – Sca (talk) 14:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak Support While it does technically occur in the ITN/R criteria, it just seems so specific. Gex4pls (talk) 15:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support It's ITN/R. Article appears to be sufficiently cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 23:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 01:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Chris Cramer[edit]

Article: Chris Cramer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: BBC journalist and executive who was a hostage in the Iranian embassy siege. New article by above user, short but decent - Dumelow (talk) 08:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I've expanded it a little and added some new sources. I think being head of CNN International for 11 years pushes him over the notability boundary - Dumelow (talk) 16:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Looks ok. P-K3 (talk) 01:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support I do not see anything which would cause me pause. Jurisdicta (talk) 03:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: If being head of CNN international is what gives him notability, then would like to see more than 1 sentence about what he did in that role. SpencerT•C 04:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
    Agreed. – Sca (talk) 17:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
    Spencer What gives him notability is his longstanding efforts to improve the safety and well-being of the journalists reporting from dangerous locations, such as the founding of the International News Safety Institute. That work overlaps him time both at the BBC and CNN. I have added to the article, and hopefully it does a good enough job of explaining this.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. Not exactly thrilled by what's there but meets minimum standards and there's adequate consensus to post. SpencerT•C 04:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Sergi Mingote[edit]

Article: Sergi Mingote (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Spanish alpinist, dies after an accident in K2. Article looks fine. Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Pedro Trebbau[edit]

Article: Pedro Trebbau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: German-born, Venezuelan zoologist. NoonIcarus (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment. Thin, not properly sourced. I've just updated the tense, but the death isn't mentioned in the text. The body does not mention the notable book mentioned in the lead. Works could do with thinning; the only one with any significant citations in Google Scholar is The Turtles of Venezuela. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • @Espresso Addict: Thanks! I have included a description about his death in the main body. From what I understand, would it be advisable to remove or merge the Works section? --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
For academics known for their publications it's usual to include their authored books plus a short (3–5) list of their most highly cited research articles. In this case, everything that Google Scholar found significant citations for was one or more editions of The Turtles of Venezuela, but you might include a small selection of other articles to show he wasn't just interested in turtles. Espresso Addict (talk) 00:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Juan Carlos Copes[edit]

Article: Juan Carlos Copes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (France24)
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Argentinean Argentine Tango dancer. Work in progress, I've expanded and reffed it a bit. Looking to replace the references to his own website. Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

RD: Bheki Ntuli[edit]

Article: Bheki Ntuli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ENCA (South Africa)
Credits:

Article updated

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Nominator's comments: Bit short but article looks to be in reasonably good nick (newly created by above user) - Dumelow (talk) 07:47, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support satis. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak Oppose No information about what he did in his 4-year National Assembly term outside the fraud charges. Some limited info in his state legislature career, but that too is basically a simple list of committees that he was on. SpencerT•C 00:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sayidiman Suryohadiprojo[edit]

Article: Sayidiman Suryohadiprojo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Work in progress, will finish this in 3—5 hours. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 04:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support pretty fast work. Last sentence of the "Deployments" section is uncited though resolved. Juxlos (talk) 09:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support It looks fine. I concur with Juxlos about the Deployments section but otherwise it should be passable. Ricky250 (talk) 12:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Apologies for exceeding the planned timeframe (it is now about 10 hours); the article is now 90% complete. I would add some more pictures in the remaining 10%. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Now 95%. Adding later life between 1999 and 2021, medal ribbons, and legacy. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Consider it done now. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) Ugandan election[edit]

Proposed image
Article: 2021 Ugandan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Yoweri Museveni is re-elected as President of Uganda (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, AP, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Disputed by the opposition, but probably to nobody's surprise, M7 is victorious again.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:54, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - Per ITNR. STSC (talk) 21:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - as far as I can see it also looks OK quality-wise, mostly thanks to the updaters mentioned above. There's lots of cited text, and I've added a prose summary of the results and reactions so far.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment the Museveni article is quite bad and has multiple tags, the section starting Yoweri Museveni, the man who loves wearing big hats as described on BBC probably the worst. I'll try to improve it. Election article looks good. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    Hmm that's a shame. Museveni used to be an FA back in the distant mists of time when I first started editing. It's not strictly necessary for it to be improved for this hook as it's not the bolded link, but would be good if you can get it improved anyway.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – There's not much on the military entering Wine's home property, which reportedly occurred Friday, or on him alleging voter fraud. [13]Sca (talk) 23:22, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    I'm not sure there is much known about the fraud at present, other than that Wine alleges it. I'll try and add a bit more on that and the break-in you mention tomorrow morning, if nobody else does so first.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support per STSC, good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is in good shape. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support The article is good and the event itself has the significance. Ricky250 (talk) 12:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article is OK. I would prefer that it also contains something about the parliamentary elections, but I guess that'll have to come later. Juxlos (talk) 13:18, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment – Coverage Sunday of Wine's alleged arrest, his National Unity Party saying it will challenge election tally. [14] [15] [16]Sca (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. The election article could do with more information about the response to the results; we have held out for two or three solid paragraphs in the past. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - Is this just going to be a thing in every worldwide election from now on, where the opposition party claims fraud? --WaltCip-(talk) 17:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    Nah, that's always been a thing, mostly outside the west Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    This will be the norm only in bandana republics. – Sca (talk) 19:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support The article is sufficiently updated in my view. P-K3 (talk) 18:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posting. --Tone 08:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Post-posting support. The election of a national leader is significant. There is no reason to suppose Bobi Wine's complaints will lead anywhere.Calmecac5 (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

First winter ascent of K2[edit]

Article: K2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A group of Nepali climbers completes the first successful winter ascent of K2, making it the last eight-thousander ascended in winter. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: K2 was the most famous and challenging unclimbed peak in winter conditions. The story receives front-page coverage and seems to be of high encyclopedic value. Also, the article is in good shape and the update is sufficient. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support if this is the last of the Eight-thousanders to be ascended in the winter. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 20:07, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    Yes, indeed. The article you're linking to mentions it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on notability but oppose on quality We have posted other world records in various sports and this one is more interesting because it's a "World's first"-type record and ,therefore, it's technically unbeatable. With that said,the K2 article needs some work, there are several red links and cn tags Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    • @Scaramouche33: Redlinks don't matter so long as there's reasonable expectation that the article will eventually exist, even FA's allow them. I'll see what I can do with the CN tags. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 19:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support This is pretty much the holy grail of eight thousander mountaineering, which was impossible until now. Albertaont (talk) 00:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose target article has more than a dozen [citation needed] tags. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Need to resolve citation tags.—Bagumba (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Cleanup first. STSC (talk) 12:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Salleh Abas[edit]

Article: Salleh Abas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thesundaily.my/local/ex-lord-president-salleh-abas-dies-updated-BL6148113
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ricky250 (talk) 09:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by "tagged for nearly 12 years"? CyberTroopers (talk) 10:31, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
There was a "disputed" maintenance tag on top of the page which was dated February 2009. Check the history. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Oops my bad, I have fixed the first paragraph and added a citation for the case. I hope you can change your stance. Sorry for my inexperience, this was my first time nominating an article on EN Wiki. Let me know if there's anything more wrong with the article. Ricky250 (talk) 10:37, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
No problem, I was just saying why I couldn't support, immediately. I'll take a closer look later. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. :) Ricky250 (talk) 10:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Very notable person. CyberTroopers (talk) 10:33, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    Notability is not a requirement at RD (and hasn't been for years), as long as the individual has a standalone article. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Weak support. Two claims in the article, at Early life paragraph 3 and Constitutional crisis paragraph 6, are not referenced and there's one When tag at the Honours section, especially given the fact that BLP applies. However the article is in good shape, and meets criteria 1-2 for RDs. GeraldWL 14:47, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I added two refs in regards to the paragraphs. About honour, i'll see what I can find. Thank you for the support. :) Ricky250 (talk) 16:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Article in good shape and well-referenced. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:39, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 19:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dustin Higgs[edit]

Article: Dustin Higgs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/16/us/politics/dustin-higgs-executed.html
Credits:

Article updated

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with their own Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 DrewieStewie (talk) 08:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Executed by the US Government on January 16. While this innocent death is absolutely fucking outrageous (excuse my French) and the execution is full of controversies, he has still died none the less, the death itself is notable on a political level (but not for a blurb), and the article quality looks good for RD. DrewieStewie (talk) 08:06, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support. Significant, fine work. GeraldWL 08:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support with regret another proud moment for Trump and his legacy. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:52, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Comment – As noted regarding the Lisa Montgomery nomination, this nom. seems to depend for noteworthiness not on the event itself but on the political situation in the U.S. Apart from that, the execution of Higgs lacks general significance – except perhaps for the topic of capital punishment. – Sca (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    You can't oppose an RD on significance, which of course you know. The precedent you cite did not have a stand alone article, this one does. It has citation to varied sources, no real chance for AfD. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    Oh yeah. Okay, relabeled as a comment, then. (Though IMO the same principle applies, i.e. "we are not a DT ticker.") – Sca (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    If it's any relief, he was charged, tried, convicted and sentenced back in BC, and had his appeals denied on another two watches. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    Arguable, Higgs and Montegomery have the same situaiton around notabilty and BLPCRIME - Higgs shouldn't have an article, as he isn't notable for anything but the crime, though yes, there was controversy around his death sentence, but so was in the case of Montgomery. Just because there wasn't a standalone for Montgomery should not have stopped the RD for that because having a standalne is not a required, only a sufficient condition. --Masem (t) 17:32, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    If it's not a suitable biography (no opinion on my part), it's best for the RD process if this page was either formally AfDed or renamed—either boldly or via RM.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'd strongly prefer some sort of blurb about this last-minute run of federal executions, that might also encompass Lisa Montgomery. I'm not sure why Higgs has an article while Montgomery does not. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
    Because this case had too many victims for a "Murder of..." pseudobio, and not enough for an event article. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Posted Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

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