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October 26[edit]

Newbie, occasional edits: trying to understand edits query[edit]

Wikipedia/Anne Jeffries, I added a small addition to the first line of her BIO as the entry line was too short. I added she was most known for the female lead in the 1950's tv series, "Topper". I said it was a minor edit. Added description of the edit and hit PUBLISH. What I don't understand, is the edit did not show. Does it have to be approved by the Wiki board being the first line in the BIO? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 03:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: you added it inside the {{short description}} template. You should have added it to the actual text of the lede. As an exersize, please revert you edit and then add it back in the correct place. This is a little bigger than a "minor" edit. I will check back later and fix it up if you don't succeed. -Arch dude (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. John R — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 06:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sir, I did not see where you are talking about adding the short text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 06:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

It isn't a big deal. I'm new to this. no problem if its just left out.

 Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 06:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: Click 'edit source' at the top of the article. You will then see a template 'short description' at the very top of the source; (this does not display on the rendered page). Remove your text from there and place it in the lead as suggested by Arch Dude. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I see "edit this page" (in Catalina), is that what I click first? Once I click it, the only place I see to add copy is within the double brackets at the top of the edit page. But you keep telling me "lead". What is the lead, but where I placed the text the first time? But it doesn't show up there. What is this "lead" you keep referring?BlackXacto (talk) 09:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

The "lede" or "lead section" is the summary introduction section with which many wikipedia articles start, if they're long enough - see MOS:LEAD. Mikenorton (talk) 09:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@BlackXacto: As you seem to be struggling a bit to get to grips with what's required, I have fixed it with this edit. Click on that link to see what has been changed. Eagleash (talk) 14:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Check out my view of the Wikipedia Page before I press "edit this page" at top:[email protected]/50535674822/in/dateposted-public/ Now check out what I see pressing "edit this page"[email protected]/50535531656/in/dateposted-public/ Now tell me where this lede is on the edit page? I continue to see nothing about "lede" You people must be editing on PCs, I am not using a PC.BlackXacto (talk) 03:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

BlackXacto, The lede is the text before the first section heading. It would be the sentence Anne Jeffreys (born Annie Jeffreys Carmichael; January 26, 1923 – September 27, 2017) was an American actress and singer. She was noted as the female lead in the 1950s TV series Topper. Formatting and citations removed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Again look at the edit page i captured in the flickr link above, where do you see that sentence you keep telling me is there? I do not see that sentence on the edit pager. Look at the link i sent, please.BlackXacto (talk) 06:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: Again, look at the sentence I quoted. It's there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
  • There doesn't seem to be an issue with the flickr link; it's clearly there. All this is now rather 'moot' as I fixed it nearly 24 hours ago. BlackXacto did you check this link as posted above to show you what had been changed to correct the error. If you are having device issues please let us know what type of device you are using (including software / browser) as someone may be able to assist. Eagleash (talk) 10:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Referencing a birth records search[edit]

Is there any guidance on how to reference a birth records search that doesn't have a permanent url? Hack (talk) 03:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hack, is it not possible to create an archived version of the link that would lead to the source? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Hack: For data accessed on a dynamic web site, you may need to get creative. Use the most specific URL of the lookup page, and provide the search terms you used. Example:[1] This is a made-up example, since Worldcat actually has usable record-level URLs. -Arch dude (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


  1. ^ data for "Charles Dickens" retrieved from "Worldcat IDs". Retrieved 26 October 2020.
@Hack: There is a larger issue here. Birth records are WP:PRIMARY, and your use and interpretation of them may constitute WP:OR, which is a no-no. -Arch dude (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Username and Edit source issues on my account[edit]

hello, i have recently updated a broken link with a new link through updating the same content it existed before with better quality. Its been removed in wikipage after some hours once i published. I am troubleshooting the issue but still didn't found it. Kindly help me for the same i am doubting that my username has some issue or might be i done some mistake while editing in Edit source of page. my username : loomled the link i have edited is shown below:- where i replaced this [ Wayback Archive of ; "Sunlight in a tube", World Science, 2005] with please guide me for the same best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoomLed (talkcontribs) 06:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@LoomLed: Your edit was partially reverted, restoring the wayback archive link (which worked) but leaving out the broken link. —teb728 t c 07:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@LoomLed: Perhaps part of the reason you were reverted was that in view of your username the other user felt you were WP:linkspaming to —teb728 t c 08:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


How do I delete my work — Preceding unsigned comment added by KESHA69 (talkcontribs) 09:47, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

KESHA69 I'm not sure, but WP:UNDO may be what you're after. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@KESHA69: You cannot delete your edits from the history. Each time you submitted an edit by hitting the "publish" button, you agreed to licence your work under the CC-BY-SA copyright licence, and others may have then made additional modifications that incorporate that work, so it is both logistically difficult and against our philosophy to actually delete edits as a general rule. If your goal is to disappear, you can choose to vanish: see WP:VANISH. If you have some other goal, then please tell us what it is. -Arch dude (talk) 15:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How to add interlanguage links with a mobile phone[edit]

I've read the article about adding interlanguage links in articles (Help:Interlanguage links), and it says that to do that I have to click the "edit links" button on the side bar Languages section. But I'm using a mobile browser and there's no "edit links" button. There is no side bar. The mobile version only has a button that's supposed to lead you to the page where you can choose which foreign language of that article you'd like to go to, but on a mobile browser that button is just paled and when tapped only shows "this article is not available in other languages". What did I miss? Colathewikian (talk) 09:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that is a facility that is available in the mobile app, Colathewikian. I think you have to go into desktop mode (which sems to be two stages for me: first pick "View this article in browser" and then "Desktop"). Cullen328 regularly edits from a mobile, so he may be able to give you more information. --ColinFine (talk) 13:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I do about 99% of my editing on an Android smartphone, and I always use the fully functional desktop site, which works just fine on my phone. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing of article's title[edit]

Dear Help desk team,

I need help with changing the title of the following site:[email protected] The notation has been changed as of October 1st, 2020. The notation now is - ECLASS. I tried changing the title but I was unable to, so that's why I wanted to ask for your help. Unfortunately I can only make changes to the text of this article. Can you please also change the spelling in the URL into ECLASS instead of [email protected] Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mina998 (talkcontribs) 10:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mina998: Done. If you are employed by or otherwise compensated by ECLASS or a related entity, you must declare your status and refrain from direct editing of the article as a condition of continuing to use this web site: see WP:PAID. -Arch dude (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Saved reading Lists on Browser?[edit]

Using Wikipedia on several devices

Galaxy Pad, Galaxy Phone - which both have reading lists & ability to add to them

Can't see how you access the lists (if you can) via the web browser - Chrome on Chromebook

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 10:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid you can't, Thetiesthatbind. See mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Reading lists. --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

thanks for clearing that up Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thetiesthatbind: You can maintain a reading list on a subpage of your user page (e.g., User:Thetiesthatbind/reading) by editing that subpage. The subpage is maintained on the Wikipedia servers, not on your local device, and is therefore available via all browsers and apps. -Arch dude (talk) 16:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

went to google store & downloaded the app, which works fine on the chromebook should have thought about it before - cheers anyway

but would appreciate more idiot compatible instructions on how to do what you say

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Rename image file please[edit]

Hello, please will an adminstrator rename this image file which I have just uploaded, to correct a typo:

From: 1970 portrait of Queen Qlizabeth II by John Townsend.jpg

To: 1970 portrait of Queen Elizabeth II by John Townsend.jpg

Thanks Douglal (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done - X201 (talk) 12:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Huggle Bot made reversion of my transclusion[edit]

I made the following edit on the Accounting network page to change the Big Four paragraph from a standalone paragraph to a transclusion of the introduction on the Big Four accounting firm article so that the content stays in sync and up to date. User:Materialscientist then auto reverted it with a bot/script Wikipedia:Huggle.

Before I go make the edit again only to have the bot auto revert me... can someone explain if I had actually done anything wrong? False positive by the bot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CDB-Man (talkcontribs) 14:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Looking again, it seems that 1 minute later, he reverted his revert, so my edit now stands if I'm not mistaken (a confirmation that I got this right would be great). CDB-Man (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How to obtain a list of internal/ external links from a wikipedia page[edit]

I was wondering if anyone can help me understand how I could retrieve a list of the internal/ external wikilinks/ hyperlinks on a Wikipedia page, particularly the page on conversion therapy. Or to see the web tree of the article page? I want to understand what currently is linked to the page as to better see current linked ideas/ potential gaps.

I know there is a "what links here" tool option, but I am essentially interested in the reverse of that tool.

Thanks for any help anyone can give! Jamzze (talk) 15:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

IMO such a tool has not been writtten yet. You can either :
  1. Run API-Queries until you get all (fist query)
  2. Examine the page's HTML source code (within <div class="mw-parser-output">...</div>)
  3. Let Special:ExpandTemplates expand the page's wikitext code and search within that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
See quarry:query/49357. The only thing you need to change to examine other pages is the page_title comparison on the third line. —Cryptic 17:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much Cryptic! This is fantastic Jamzze (talk) 10:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I can't upload my interview with my sources on Wikipedia[edit]


I work for Wikipedia through Report for America. My job is to fill in news and information gaps. My manager said that I can upload MP3 files of my interviews of the sources of my topics such as Alvin C. Jacobs to their articles so that I can site my information. However, I cannot upload my MP3 files for whatever reason.

Could you help me understand what I need to do for this issues, these are my interviews alone, that I've done via Zoom, using Hindenburg to record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dante N Miller (talkcontribs) 2020-10-26T17:00:15 (UTC)

There would be little point in doing so, as interviews are not considered reliable or independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't, Dante N Miller. If they have been published, then you can cite them - though as Theroadislong says, they are of limited use as references because they are primary sources; and furthermore, citing your own work is regarded as a conflict of interest. The more general issue is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves.
If the interviews have not been published, then they may not be used in any way in Wikipedia: that would be original research. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dante N Miller: What does "work for Wikipedia" mean? Is the "Report for America" (see Steven Waldman) paying you to edit? If so, you need to disclose this. See WP:PAID. You do not work for "Wikipedia" and you probably do not work for the Wikimedia Foundation. If "filling in the gaps" is fulfill some sort of agenda, then you should not edit Wikipedia at all. -Arch dude (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Your manager has no idea whatsoever how Wikipedia works if he believes that unpublished interviews are acceptable sources for anything on Wikipedia. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 17:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref[edit] Middle name Marie! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duke4172 (talkcontribs) 18:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Duke 4172: I have fixed the ref errors and one or two formatting anomalies. Please note Facebook is not accepted as a source; see WP:UGC. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Unable to watch videos on iPad[edit]

On Wikipedia videos I keep getting this error message In order to view videos from this site on an iPhone or iPad, you need the free VLC app. Download the VLC app from the App Store Open this video in the VLC app Download this video I have installed app but still get error message on Safari iPad Air 2 operating system 13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I can't recall seeing a single video on this site and I've been editing for over ten years. But you can go to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to ask them. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)
Videos are rare on Wikipedia, but they do exist. See Help:Media (audio and video) for help. We have no specific help for using the VLC app on the iPad: that is an iPad problem, not a Wikipedia problem. We use well-documented open source video formats and we can only speculate on how a proprietary app does or does not work with them. You might try asking over at WP:RD/C. -Arch dude (talk) 04:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I think that's a matter of opinion; if Wikipedia can't support one of the most popular tablets of all time, it very much is a Wikipedia problem, and your comment is kind of like "We have no specific support for VHS, that is a VHS problem, not a Betamax problem. We use well-designed video cassette formats like Betamax and we can only speculate on how a poorer system like VHS does not work with them." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Considering that Wikipedia and the file formats it uses predate the iPad, it really is a problem on the Apple end that their tablet doesn't work with existing websites. --Khajidha (talk) 13:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


I repeatedly raised a question, without finding answer. Recently I created List of Oteckovia episodes and I need to copy all its content of Slovak version in the wikitable. This did not work by myself. Instead, by using Template:Episode, the English article should be completed by coping them. The Supermind (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, The Supermind, I don't understand what you are asking, and I don't see where you have raised the question before. {{Episode}} (which is a redirect to {{Episode needed}}) is for tagging some text to say that some information is incomplete or unsourced without the episode being identified. That doesn't sound like what you want. --ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@The Supermind: I'm guessing that you are looking for the equivalent of sk:Template:Časť (TV seriál), which is used for each row in the skwiki article. I looked at some of the articles in the category Category:Slovak television series, but the few that have episode lists use a different format. I would suggest just entering the episode data using standard table syntax. You could re-create the template here, but that's a bunch of extra work to translate the parameter names to English, and I see also that it uses HTML syntax (<tr>, <td>; some obsolete, like the <center> tags) instead of wiki table syntax, which should be changed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@The Supermind: Looking at List of Za sklom (TV series) episodes#Season 1 (2016), it uses {{Episode table}} and {{Episode list}}, which are somewhat configurable and may suit your needs. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Need Wikipedia to remove an unofficial Facebook page[edit]

Wikipedia created a Facebook page for our high school. It is not official and we would like it removed so more people are directed to our official Facebook page. How do we get Wikipedia to remove it? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has nothing to do with Facebook pages. Wikipedia did not create the page, and we cannot help you with whoever did create it. Possibly Facebook can assist you. Meters (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
IIRC, at some point, Facebook created pages (on Facebook) by importing information from various places like Wikipedia. This was their action, not Wikipedia's, and you will need to contact Facebook if you want to remove or change it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:42, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Symbol move vote.svg Facebook community pages may incorporate content from Wikipedia—such use complies with Wikipedia policies on reuse of content. We at Wikipedia have no control over how the content is included nor can we help to remove it. Facebook once had a topic on Community pages and profile connections (2011 archive) on their Help Center. The information may be obsolete. Seagull123 Φ 15:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Is Amazon a reliable source?[edit]

I'm working on an article on a television series and I think a "home media release" section would be neat to include, as per most of the articles on movies and series on Wikipedia. There are little published sources to use for such a section, but if the pages of the various DVD releases on Amazon constitute reliable sources, a section could be written. I could not find anything about this in the MOS and I am doubtful since Amazon is an online store, but it is used a source in some articles, such as Breaking Bad (season 2). Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ichthyovenator: Usually there are better sources than Amazon to source film releases, such as the Hollywood press. Amazon sources are frowned upon because of their potential for being commercial spam. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: If those better sources simply don't exist, for instance if the DVD releases were long ago and simply not talked about a lot in the media, would Amazon be okay to use (I assume not then)? The information that would be cited using Amazon in this case would be release dates and in which countries the DVDs were released. Ichthyovenator (talk) 09:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ichthyovenator: Some may consider it a non-controversial edit, but it is a way of getting a commercial link onto the site. Another option would be simply putting in the information but marking it with a citation needed template, and putting in the edit summary that the information came from Amazon but a better source is needed. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 13:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
The label accompanying the DVD itself could be a source, many are marked "For home use only" or similar wording. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Intellectual Property Infringement (#DeafTalent®)[edit]

Jade Bryan (talk) 23:11, 26 October 2020 (UTC)Hello. My name is Ann Marie Bryan,aka Jade. Is there anyway to remove this link: Someone is using our trademark. This is a trademark infringement and I am the owner of the trademark.

Also, last year, I registered for that user name and someone blocked that user name. Can you please take it down because this a intellectual property infringement. I want to claim it back since I registered for it first and now have the trademark.

Please remove the use of our trademark on your wikipedia account that will likely cause misrepresentation in relation with distribution, advertising, identification, campaign, and sales of our products or services.

Thank you. Yours,

Jade Bryan

@Jade Bryan: I'm not a legal expert, but an article about a hashtag and its related movement are not trademark violations, any more than articles about Twinkies, Coca-Cola and Budweiser would be trademark violations. This is a free encyclopedia and no commercial value is taken from the trademark holder by the articles. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Jade Bryan: Also, last year, I registered for that user name and someone blocked that user name. That would be because it was discovered to be a sockpuppet of yours. It also doubles as a promotional name which is against Wikipedia's username policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Jade Bryan: Please review our policy on legal threats (WP:LEGAL). Discussions of intellectual property issues are not of themselves legal threats, so you have not crossed that line yet. However, As soon as any of us volunteers perceive something that appears to constitute a legal threat, we have no choice but to block your account from editing and direct you to interact with the legal staff of the WMF until you explicitly state that no legal threat is intended. -Arch dude (talk) 03:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

No legal threat is intended at this time. I am merely asking if there is a way to remove article due to trademark issue. I own the hashtag trademark and it too similar to our movement that the article. Please scroll up. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jade Bryan (talkcontribs) 04:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jade Bryan: As far as I can tell, our article DeafTalent is about the #DeafTalent hashtag, it's history, and purpose. It's an encyclopedic article and makes no attempt to impersonate or benefit from the subject, nor could it be written without identifying the subject correctly (by its hashtag), just like any encyclopedia or news article about copyrighted or trademarked subjects (examples given above). Our understanding is that this type of use is non-infringing (and, BTW, usually welcomed as free publicity). If you believe otherwise, you are arguing in the wrong place, with the wrong people. Please see the WMF contact page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Note: OP removed a link to a trademark certificate. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

That's what I wrote earlier that I came to the wrong place. I tried to delete all my posts cuz I have been trying to reach someone who could answer some concerns I have. Apparently not. I have also sent emails and haven't heard back from anyone. Clearly this page is not the right place for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jade Bryan (talkcontribs) 05:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Jade Bryan, posts can be deleted here if they haven't been responded to. I suggest you stop responding to this conversation if you would like it to die off. (Please remember to sign your messages with four tildes, like this: ~~~~) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. Jade Bryan (talk) 06:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC))

October 27[edit]

A question about WP:NOINDEX[edit]

In the article about the noindex tag, it states that it will have no effect on articles over 90 days old. But it also says that articles with speedy deletion tags will be noindexed, which makes perfect sense since these articles might have some disruptive information in them that shouldn't be seen. But then does this apply to articles over 90 days? RedPanda25 00:37, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Photo[edit]

I'd like to upload a photograph of Sparkle Moore to her Wikipedia article. The picture was taken in approximately 1956 and is widely available on the internet in different biographies of her and such. (Pinterest, Youtube, Reddit, the BlueisKewl blog, etc.) I can find no photographer listed. Can I proceed to upload it? Is there something further I can to to upload it? Or am I barred from uploading it?

Below is a link to the BlueisKewl web site with the photo.

Thanks, Ken — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfraserryan (talkcontribs) 00:51, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kfraserryan: No, unless you can show that it its copyright has expired. You cannot upload it under "fair use" because our criteria for this are very strict, and Sparkle Moore is still alive. showing that the copyright is expired is a mess, and I do not know how to do it for this picture. In the US, anything from before 1924 is copyright-expired, and some stuff after that that was formally copyrighted and whose formal copyright was not renewed. But most stuff is presumed to be copyrighted. Sorry. Copyright law is a disaster, but we do our best to follow the law. -Arch dude (talk) 01:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


The "Fix dead links" tool isn't working. Is there another automatic archive tool I can use? APK whisper in my ear 08:36, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It's working again so nm. APK whisper in my ear 19:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

New York Times articles (pre 1970's)[edit]

Hello! I am doing research on a topic that is discussed in older New York Times articles (pre 1970's). I can see some of the preview text and the date, but I cannot see the author's name. It seems that only current subscribers can see the author's name. I understand that many older articles do not have bylines. Are there editors who are NYT subscribers that can look up to see if there is author information? This must be a frequent problem. The Times is such a valuable resource for citation. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 09:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thriley: I have a subscription. Can you provide the link please? APK whisper in my ear 09:11, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Thriley: The Wikipedia Library may be of interest to you, possibly? Seagull123 Φ 15:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources[edit]

Link: Draft:DJ Sly (edit | [[Talk:Draft:DJ Sly|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi I posted an article recently but it has been moved to draft for these reasons: "does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources". How do I get the right sources? My sources are primarily from websites ad published articles.

Tims178 (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Tims178

Hello, Tims178. Start by removing all the links to Apple music and to soundcloud: It is alsmot never appropriate to reference the subject's own work, and it is almost never appropriate to link to a commercial site. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject has said, done, or published except insofar as independent people have published about them. The article should be almost entirely based on independent writing about DJ Sly, not on their own works or words. Have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 14:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Md Perwez Siddiqui[edit]

I created a article named Md Perwez Siddiqui with citation of all the sources of newspaper as well as the link of books also provided in this article. And also Mr Md Perwez Siddiqui is a notable person in India as he is doing politics and also demand the reservation for Muslims of Bihar in India. and I think his name should be on Wikipedia as the people know the facts about him and know about his life history. Request you to please consider this page and publish on internet. I attached here all the wiki details as I worked on article. Thanks.

Attached: Md Perwez Siddiqui details

Reply to Perwez query[edit]

Having to reply here as the 'hat' seems to have removed half the article content and the thread will not edit no matter what I do (even tryin to convert to COT / COB) possibly due to sig closing double curlies:

Gross tons convert template[edit]

In Robert Logan (naval architect) I would like to use gross tons template for a GA review. I don't understand how to use it. Can an expert use this convert template where it says 2,775 gross tons . Thanks for the help.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Gross tonnage is not convertible. It refers to the internal volume of a ship; it is not a unit of mass.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


I am an author and I have (I thought) uploaded a page about myself - but though I can see it on my contributions section - i cannot find it on wikipedia. I've neer done this before and I may have done it incorrectly - I did not add a link to my book See Glass as I was not sure if you were allowed to or not and I did not wish to violate the rules? I think my page should be called Ido Graf

Please can someone help me?

Many thanks

Ido Graf — Preceding unsigned comment added by IdoGraf (talkcontribs) 13:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It was blanked. We do not approve of people writing about themselves. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 14:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@IdoGraf: Please see WP:USERPAGE. Your user page is where you tell other editors about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. It is not a Wikipedia article, which would tell the general readership about you as a notable author if you met our notability requirements (WP:NAUTHOR). You are strongly discouraged from writing such an article yourself:see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. -Arch dude (talk) 18:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

File:Heroic Children book cover.jpg[edit]

I would like to crop out the blue background so the image is more visible in the infobox of Heroic Children. Could you help me? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done Maproom (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! Yoninah (talk) 17:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing the Summary and Side Panel[edit]

I cannot figure out how to edit items before history. David Cary Hart (talk) 16:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@David Cary Hart: which article are you talking about? If you meant to ask how to change the infobox on the right side of the article, I recommend thaat you use the visual editor for this and then look at the history to see what the visual editor changed. If you want to experiment with a particular article's infobox, I recommed that you use the sandbox. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:09, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Arthur Miles[edit]

Hello. Can one of you help me, please! I made and edited an article about painter Arthur Miles. My first attempt at the sandbox disappeared (Arthur H Miles), so I tried again with Arthur Henry Miles RI 1905-1987. (or it could have been simply Arthur Miles RI and dates)

I wrote and edited a full article, saw it in sandbox, checked and pressed send for review. Today, I cannot get far into my page - I wanted to upload pictures. There was a message I didn't understand and I can't find my article anywhere. I'm new to this ... and I'm also old! Hoping someone from your amazing expert people can help me!Thanks in advance. Gwaelodian. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gwaelodian (talkcontribs) 16:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Gwaelodian Your draft is still there, it's at Draft:Arthur H. Miles. It was moved to include the middle initial because there is already an article about a different Arthur Miles. This is called disambiguation. That's probably what the message you didn't understand was trying to tell you - where to find the draft. You have submitted your draft for review, and it is currently waiting in a very long line for someone to come along and review it. That can take a couple months. In the mean time, I recommend you focus your efforts on finding and citing reliable sources, such as books that discuss his art, rather than the blogs currently cited as sources. As for uploading pictures, if they are photos you have taken yourself and you are willing to release them under Wikipedia's copyright license, you can upload them to Wikimedia Commons now, however, if the photos were taken by someone else and you do not own the copyright to them, they would be considered fair use and must be uploaded directly to Wikipedia and should not be uploaded until after the article is approved and moved out of draft space. I'll leave a message on your talk page with some helpful links. If you have questions, you can respond there, or here, or on my talk page. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:45, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Gwaelodian: an image may be uploaded under "fair use" only if it meets our very stringent fair-use policy, so finding or creating an image that can be released under a valid copyright license is preferable. -Arch dude (talk) 17:34, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Gwaelodian: If the pictures you want to upload are faithful renderings of his paintings (rather than say a photographic portrait of the artist), the copyright belongs to Miles' heir(s) rather than to the photographer. In this case an important part of a non-free use rationale would be that use of the image significantly clarifies critical commentary in the text. —teb728 t c 21:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

CNN description[edit]

I checked the breitbart description.. and Wikipedia has Breatbart as a "Far Right" site.

If this is true, CNN description should read "far Left"

Lets be consistent with the descriptions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:E140:5B80:1B:3432:9C31:7FE4 (talk) 17:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia states what reliable sources say. If you know that reliable sources state that CNN is far left, please raise this issue at CNN's talk page. Seagull123 Φ 17:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Page has been deleted, please recover[edit]

Hello My page Rajaji(Actor) has been deleted. Can you please help me to restore the page. You can also Google rajaji tamil actor for more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about you. It was deleted per the result of this discussion, in which it was determined that you do not seem to meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable actor, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. If you have such sources that were not brought up in the deletion discussion, please visit Deletion Review. 331dot (talk) 17:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Rolling back multiple edits that were vandalism.[edit]


I've spotted a page where I believe vandalism has occurred, an anonymous user identified only by an IPv4 address just straight up replaced material with nonsense.

The problem is that the "contributor" altered the page over the course of 3 edits. I've tried to click "Undo" on the first malicious edit hoping to "roll back" the entire article to its previously good state, but as you can imagine the system does not allow an undo when there are later edits. I could try to undo all three edits individually, but even if that worked it would just be cluttering up the page history - three malicious edits followed by three undos.

Is there any way that I can just do a straight up "Rollback" to identify the last good version as the correct version, reverting all of the malicious edits in a single transaction?

-Sean SeanWrynn (talk) 20:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

SeanWrynn You can go into the article edit history and compare the last edit before the vandalism with the most recent edit, and then revert that in one step. You can also enable Twinkle in your Preferences(under gadgets) to rollback edits(though you should review the information about it first, so that wouldn't help you immediately). 331dot (talk) 20:34, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
If the vandalism was the most recent edits, you can also open the last good version of the page and save that as an edit; it will warn you that the page is old, but that's what you want to do in that instance. 331dot (talk) 20:36, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@331dot thanks, editing from the last good version did the job - I was able to revert all three edits (and even fix some minor grammar issues in the last good version) all in a single transaction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeanWrynn (talkcontribs) 21:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Suspected of spamming when adding national guidelines to health sites[edit]

The Health Care Education Association has just come out with national guidelines for patient education. I have tried to add this reference to the pages for patient education, teach back, and health literacy.

Wikipedia has warned me I am promoting an organization, or spamming. I do not mean to violate rules. I mean to provide a link to new national guidelines for evidence-based practice.

Health Care Education Association. (2020). The Patient Education Practice Guidelines for Health Professionals.

How can I do this correctly? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PatientEducation (talkcontribs) 23:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Your username is not doing you any good. Go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest and get it changed to something that represents you as a person. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 01:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@PatientEducation:Even after you change your username, if you are an employee or otherwise compensated by the Health Care Education Association or a related entity, you must declare your WP:PAID status as a condition of use of Wikipedia at all, and you must refrain from directly adding external links to your organization's web pages. You may suggest such additions on the respective articles' talk pages, but Wikipedia is not intended to be a link farm: see WP:NOT. In spite of your good intentions, your actions appear to constitute WP:LINKSPAM. -Arch dude (talk) 01:39, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Clare Sheridan Copyright Holder[edit]

To whom this may concern:

The Wikipedia page for Clare Sheridan ( states that there is no copyright holder. However, the copyright passed to Sheridan's great-nephew Jonathan Frewen upon the death of his father in 1972. Here is the contact information for Jonathan Frewen from the Ransom Center's Watch Database at the University of Texas at Austin:

Many thanks for all your kind help. With best wishes,

Reference and Research Services Harry Ransom Center The University of Texas at Austin (Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I have removed the statement about her copyrights, since they were not cited to a reliable published source. Until such time as an independent published source discusses the copyrights, a statement about them will not be encyclopaedic. --ColinFine (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

how to change reading mode. White text on black(dark green) background[edit]

I have a question. how to change reading mode. White text on black(dark green) background? Black on white is good for printed books , but for computer screens it is better white on dark dark green. How to do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. This has been requested many times, and it appears there has been some work on it, but it has not been completed. See, for example, WP:Village pump (technical)/Archive 185#Dark theme. --ColinFine (talk) 23:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

October 28[edit]

spam in edit summaries[edit]

What's the proper way to report someone embedding spam in an edit summary?--NapoliRoma (talk) 03:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

WP:ANI, with enough information that they can verify that it is happening. I don't know how experienced you are, but Wikipedia:Simplest diff guide may be useful. --Guy Macon (talk) 03:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Google search[edit]

My article for Amir Bageria was approved a little over a week ago. I'm aware that it takes some time for the article to sync up with the existing knowledge panel. However, usually when articles are approved, they start showing up in results. Even if I type 'amir bageria wikipedia' into google, nothing comes up except articles he is simply mentioned in.

In addition, I'm having trouble correcting the information on the Odessa A'zion knowledge panel - currently it shows up like A'Zion but the Z is meant to be lower case.

Thank you and sorry if this is the wrong place for this or if I'm just being impatient. - Starklinson (talk) 4:30 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Starklinson, are you sure that a new pages patroller has reviewed it? Articles don't get indexed until one has reviewed it or 90 days have passed, whichever comes first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Starklinson (ec) It takes time for Google and search engines to index articles; the article has been marked as reviewed, so it shouldn't be too much longer. Wikipedia has nothing to do with Google Knowledge Graphs or search results that pull information from Wikipedia; you'll need to contact Google if there is an extended delay. 331dot (talk) 06:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

What template/s are most appropriate for showing in an infobox total project costs, who funded or loaned money to a project?[edit]


I'm working on a number of articles related to solar power plants and other renewable energy infrastructure projects. One thing that I would really like to include in the infobox is a list of funders of each project, both investors and banks who loan money to the project, however for most infoboxes for infrastructure there are no fields to show this. I know in some articles a second infobox is added on specific aspects, is there an infobox that I could use to show things like investment and loans to a project, total project cost etc?

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 12:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Request to assist in being targeted and falsely banned by troll with biased agenda who's been repeatedly deleting factually sourced & constructive edits[edit]


I’m contacting you due to being both repeatedly targeted and falsely banned by a factual troll who’s been endlessly vandalizing, reverting and deleting literally anything positive to do with a figure named “Vince Russo” on any page.

The pathetic troll in question is “Dory Funk”

This troll has been continuously deleting all positive edits related to Russo for months now. Most recently he deleted a factually sourced quote on the “Retribution (professional wrestling)” article without reason and then banned me when I added it back in, despite the fact that I wasn’t even the user who originally added it. I also just looked at the “WWF Brawl for All” article which had a series of positive Russo quotes that were added all the way back in April, and yet they were all just deleted by this “Dory Funk” loser without logical reason yet again, all despite the fact that these quotes were worthy of being there without ever being deleted by anyone else for 6 entire months. This ridiculous troll has an incredibly pathetic, biased agenda against anything Vince Russo related, as well as me personally since this spiteful, no-life man-child is so embarrassingly obsessed with trolling anything “Vince Russo” related. The fact that i’ve done nothing but make factually helpful ANTI-TROLL edits the entire time and yet this sad loser continues to stalk, target, and get my factually helpful edits reverted and my I.P. address falsely banned without valid reason is proof that his embarrassingly biased trolling needs to be put to a permanent end.

So to sum up, can you please help with this long-term issue of repeated pathetic trolling and completely unjustified banning of my I.P. address?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by F0-YPLT (talkcontribs) 13:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

This may be about edit-warring at Vince Russo. Advice to F0-YPLT: name-calling won't help your cause. Nor will unwarranted accusations of vandalism. I see no reason to believe that Dory_Funk has the power to ban an IP address. Maproom (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It's not tied to just a single page like Vince Russo. As I already proved, a quote from Russo was added to the “Retribution (professional wrestling)” article and was then deleted for literally zero reason by "Dory Funk", how is that not vandalism??? And what about the quote on the "WWF Brawl for All" page which has a direct link to the youtube video featuring Russo himself saying the exact quote, that getting deleted without reason after 6 months isn't vandalism??? And it doesn't remotely matter whether he has I.P. banning power or not, he knows how to instantly report me to actual mods using his nonsense "block evasion" or "sockpuppet" excuse when the only reason I have to resort to use a new I.P. address is because of a pathetic troll ridiculously reporting me for making factual helpful edits while HE continues to ACTUALLY TROLL non-stop. What more inarguable facts do you need??? F0-YPLT (talk) 14:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Since it is clearly not you that has made the edits that you say have been reverted, can you please quote the diffs involved and the username that was being used. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk   14:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Some of the edits were done by me because I was attempting to add factually true information with constructive edits, does it make a difference whether it was done by me or someone else? Regardless, I can confirm I never added the original Russo quote made on the "Retribution (professional wrestling)" page. And yet you can clearly see from the link below that "Dory Funk" deleted the Russo quote while ridiculously claiming "Removed banned sources", despite the fact that both article quotes he deleted aren't from writers listed on any list of banned sources.

It's all just such obvious, biased trolling. F0-YPLT (talk) 15:11, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@F0-YPLT: you are involved in a edit dispute. You may use the WP:DISPUTE process. I strongly recommend that you stick to non-inflammatory, factual wording. When you use words like "biased", "troll", "inarguable", "constructive", etc., you will cause other editors to be suspicious of your arguments, even if they are completely true. If others do become involved, they will quickly make their own determinations of these qualities. There are editors such as myself who will decline to become involved when these words are in use. -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Literally everything i've said when using the words "inarguable", "biased", and "troll" are all factually true, that's why I used them. Based on every example i've showcased of this users actions please tell me one instant where they didn't objectively prove to be an inarguably biased troll. F0-YPLT (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm also still waiting to be told why the "Vince Russo & Disco Inferno" quotes were rightfully deleted from the "Retribution" page. How's that "removed banned sources" nonsense holding up? F0-YPLT (talk) 19:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

F0-YPLT, I strongly suggest you either provide WP:DIFFs of the user in question being biased or trolling, as those can be construed as personal attacks and lead to a block on your account, or retract those comments. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

OP has been indef-blocked for Block evasion, personal attacks. —teb728 t c 20:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the one being attacked and accused. The OP has already been blocked as User:R.Gadona and innumerable Sky IPs[1][2][3][4] (as you can see, I'm far from his only abuse target). In this edit summary he flaunted his socking and vowed to return under yet another IP.[5]

The user's MO is to promote wrestling writer Vince Russo (routinely introducing unreliable sources to do so), blank any content in which Russo is questioned or criticised, and personally attack everyone who challenges him. His complaint here is unfounded, and is just his latest attempt to slander a user whose goal to better the encyclopedia clashes with his goal of WP:PUFFING the image of a writer, at any cost to the project. Cheers. Dory Funk (talk) 14:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Unanswered question[edit]

I wrote this question, but no answer yet. I wrote in a wrong page? --2001:B07:6442:8903:E5E7:476D:EBEA:7E7 (talk) 14:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

That was a good place to ask, but your question is so difficult to understand that nobody answered you. Try re-wording your question. -Arch dude (talk) 15:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Information Creation[edit]

I was wondering how do you save something you are working on? I have started a document 2 times and lost it because I cannot find the save button,

Geary Nelson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnelson1948 (talkcontribs) 14:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gnelson1948: The button labeled "Publish changes", below the edit window, is what you click to save your work. Deor (talk) 15:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
To avoid any possible confusion, Gnelson1948, "Publish changes" doesn't mean the saved material becomes published as a Wikipedia article, just that it is saved where it was written (whether in a Draft, on a Talk page, on a Help Desk or Reference desk, etc.): we use the term "publish" because it is readable by the public, i.e. by anyone who knows where on Wikipedia to look for it.
On a different note, please remember to end all your posts (except when editing text in an actual article, or filling in an Edit summary box) with four tildes (these things ~~~~), so that your signature and the date and time are automatically entered – it helps to keep track of the conversation, which can get complicated when several people are involved. If you haven't got a tilde key on your keyboard (on mine it's SHIFT+#) you can find the symbol in the drop-down menus below (it's the first one in 'Symbols'), or click on the button at the top of this edit box with the 'underlined x curly-l' symbol. {The poster formerly known as (talk) 16:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Military women history timeline[edit]

My mother, Tavonya S. Miner, was the first African American woman graduate of the U.S. Navy "Seaman to Admiral" Program in September 1995 but I don't see her listed on your timeline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navychick (talkcontribs) 15:00, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Navychick we don't have an article about her. If she passes the notability criteria specified at WP:BIO or WP:SOLDIER it might be possible to create an acceptable article. Entries in timeline pages are almost always limited to subjects about which we already have articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Limited Access[edit]

We are looking to make one of our clients profile on wikipedia to have limited access, how is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It is not possible. In fact neither you nor your client have any rights to control access or the content of any articles. The only "right" your client has is to not be libelled. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not have "profiles", that is a social media term. Wikipedia has articles. As ably noted by Dodger67, the subject of an article has no special rights to it; they cannot dictate what appears there, lock it to the text they might prefer, or prevent others from editing it. You are welcome to suggest edits on the article talk page as formal edit requests. 331dot (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
See WP:Ownership of content and WP:Conflict of interest for more details. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 16:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Furthermore, a Wikipedia article is not for the benefit of its subject: many subjects do get some benefit from an article about them, but that is no part of Wikipedia's purpose: see WP:PROUD. If you intend to make any edits to Wikipedia on behalf of a client, you must make the declarations required at Paid editing, and I would strongly advise you to get a significant amount of experience (weeks or months) of editing Wikipedia for Wikipedia's purposes before you try editing it for somebody else's. --ColinFine (talk) 16:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Just to pile on even more: with respect to such an article, you and your client have fewer "rights", not more "rights", than any of the other 100,000 or so active editors. All of the rest of us would be free to edit the article directly. You and your client are restricted to making suggestions for changes and are not allowed to edit the article directly. There are many venues on the web that will allow your to present your client in whatever way you wish, without interference from editors whose goal is to build objective, unbiased, encyclopedic articles. -Arch dude (talk) 17:19, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
To sum it up, what you are asking is completely impossible, and it goes against the entire point of Wikipedia. You seem to have misunderstood what Wikipedia is all about. JIP | Talk 10:46, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Harrison Biggins (Barrow football club )[edit]

Just to inform you that HarrisonBiggins scored the forth goal for Barrow FC against Mansfield FC on 27st October 2020 his first goal whilst on loan from fleetwood as it was reported Kay scored the goal ..Thank you Wayne Biggins (Dad) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:DDA5:BB01:802B:9EE:2E31:FE3B (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

We publish what reliable sources say, and BBC attributes the goal to Josh Kay rather than Harrison Biggins (although the text implies Biggins scored), and Soccerbase also lists Biggins as having 0 goals for Barrow. We are a tertiary source, so follow what other published sources say- if they update to say Biggins was the goal scorer, then so will we. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Golf Page Posted about Karl Keffer[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Karl Keffer

Karl Keffer was my Grandfather. I have some pics I thought the creator of this page might want. I do not want to create my own wikipedia account. How do I email the creator of this page privately. I was at the 'talk page', but this is not private. Here is the link to the page I am talking about.

Kind Regards Corinne Keffer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:1EC0:2BEB:CD4D:E32:8DC3:A580 (talk) 16:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind offer. We do not generally work that way. Ordinarily, we would ask you to create an account, which actually makes you more anonymous, not less anonymous, than not logging in. In your case, you may be able to work with @Wjemather:, who appears to be major contributor to the Karl Keffer article. We are unpaid volunteers, so that editor may not wish to become involved. We have the technical means to allow editors to send e-mails to each other without revealing the e-mail addresses. Please note that is is vastly preferable to have you provide the images under a liberal copyright license. You own the pictures, but the photographer, not the subject, was the original copyright holder. This means that if the photos are press photos or from a commercial photographer, we have a problem. If, however, the photos were taken by a family member it is reasonable for you to claim that you have inherited the copyright and you can therefore license it. -Arch dude (talk) 17:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, you may also want to read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, and if you have any questions about image copyright, you could ask them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Seagull123 Φ 20:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


After several revisions and explanations for said revisions. There are users that insist on classifying this group with unsubstantiated definitions. They have refused to acknowledge citations from the group and only use definitions that are derived from innuendo and political bias. I am not going to spend each day revising this page. I can see that both users are participating in active racism and not objective reasoning. There is Nothing to Prove that this group is a black nationalist OR separatist group. There is no evidence of their ideology being reflective of eiother yet Reverted back to reflect that. SPLC has not classified them as either of these types of groups. Interviews of the leaders mentions Nothing of these agendas. I recommend that this article be reviewed by other parties who will look at EVIDENCE not hearsay.. and use actual statements not biased observations for changing this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knightinkarma (talkcontribs)

@Knightinkarma: I strongly suggest you take your concerns to the article's talk page with reliable sources to back your claims. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Knightinkarma. I get that you feel strongly about this. But Wikipedia develops by consensus, and shouting "I'm right and you're all wrong" does not move us towards that: people do have different views on many things. When somebody undoes your edit, for any reason, the proper action is to begin a discussion on the article's talk page, not to reapply the edit - what you are doing is edit warring, which is not permitted, irrespective of whether you are right or wrong. Please see BRD: you need to lay out your arguments civilly on the talk page, and see if you can reach consensus with the other editors. If you cannot, then dispute resolution tells you the next step. --ColinFine (talk) 19:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

General Editing[edit]

I am new to editing Wikipedia and would like to know where the best place to start editing is. I don't want to screw up any articles. I'm pretty good with English and Grammar and spelling if that means anything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze The Wolf (talkcontribs) 17:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf, welcome to Wikipedia. Before doing any editing, I suggest trying out The Wikipedia Adventure to get a small introduction as to how to use Wikipedia and understand its policies. After that, feel free to peruse the community portal (there's a "Help Out" section a little ways down for articles that require maintenance), or check out what User:SuggestBot has to offer.
Shameless plug: If you would like to assist with copy editing (grammar and spelling), come check out the Guild of Copy Editors. We're getting ready for the backlog drive next month and would love to have an extra set of hands on deck. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Sky 5[edit]

I know I'm missing something obvious but... well, it's not obvious to me!

The article Sky 5 is listed under 'B' in Category:English-language television stations in New Zealand. It used to be called 'The Box', so that makes sense to a degree. But how do I get it under 'S' now? ◦ Trey Maturin 18:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Trey Maturin:  Done ...defsort changed from 'box' to 'sky5' also piped the cat to 'S'. Shows up under 'S' in the category page now. Eagleash (talk) 18:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
{{DEFAULTSORT}}!! I should've spotted that! Thank you, @Eagleash: - you've taught me something! ◦ Trey Maturin 19:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Major possible POV edits on a political figure's BLP - how to handle?[edit]

Hello -- I have noticed that the page for David Ryu, an LA City Councilmember in a reelection race, has been edited multiple times by a user named User:M390391. This account has only edited the page of the Councilmember and his opponent, and has added multiple sections that I feel are POV. I have tried to clean up as best as I can to conform to W:NPOV but the last round of edits are massive, and I am unsure how to handle and don't want to act unilaterally. What is the best place to ask to get the eyes of some more experienced editors / administrators on this? CaliforniaThrasher (talk) 19:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CaliforniaThrasher. Perhaps POVN? But note that you have to have tried to resolve the issue by discussion with the other editor(s) first. --ColinFine (talk) 19:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia iOS app editing error[edit]

Dear Wikipedia, I am currently experiencing problems with your mobile app while I’m editing articles and appeared with a error message, Please tell me how I can resolve this issue. Takumi (talk) 21:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Staines Staines, it's hard to help when there isn't much to go on besides stating that you're using an iOS app, you were editing articles, and an error message popped up. Perhaps you can give more detailed information to the folks over at the village pump (technical)? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

October 29[edit]


Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

see Mathematics, or ask questions at WP:RD/MA -Arch dude (talk) 17:14, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


So I'm not exactly sure what I'm supposed to do with my userpage. What is is for specifically if it has a purpose? Blaze The Wolf (talk) 14:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

wp:Userpage is a nice read Blaze The Wolf :D -GoatLordServant (Talk) 14:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok thank yoU! I would look at these articles first if I knew they existed which I clearly dont Blaze The Wolf (talk) 14:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
It's ok, we've all started somewhere. It was a good decision bringing a question here, if you have more, contributors will answer. -GoatLordServant (Talk) 14:15, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
A general tip, Blaze The Wolf: if you've got a question about something in Wikipedia itself (about how it's organised, or how to work in it) it's often helpful to try searching for that word or phrase with "WP:" (in full, "Wikipedia:") on the front. So WP:Tutorial is another useful resource, for example. --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah ok. Thank you! I figured it out after they told me. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing bug?[edit]

Ok, I know I literally just asked a question but I need some help. Sometimes when i go to edit something and I hit the Shift key to capitalize a letter it moves my cursor to the beginning of the line. What do I do to get this to stop as it's very annoy? It only seems to happen when I'm editing something that has been edited before. Blaze The Wolf (talk) 14:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

This might be a setting within your browser. I would check its settings. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 14:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
It doesn't happen anywhere else besides Wikipedia so it can't be a browser setting.Blaze The Wolf (talk) 16:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I looked at the settings and Shift is not the key that should take me back to the beginning of a line. I'm on a chromebook and the shortcut to do that is Search + < which doesn't even include shift. I might look at my settings on Wikipedia to see if something is causing that to happen Blaze The Wolf (talk) 17:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

vandalism by IP-adres[edit]

I couldn't really figure out where to report this, but I assume that if I leave it here, it will be dealt with appropriately. I came across an edit made by . He/She only made 3 edits on October 5 but all are clearly malicious. I reverted the 1 I came across (the other 2 were already reverted). --Dutchy45 (talk) 15:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Dutchy45, if it's blatant vandalism you can report them at WP:AIV. WP:TWINKLE can help facilitate the process. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

How to handle am entry for a location with two possible actual places[edit]

In South Carolina there are communities that are not part of a formal town or city thus unincorporated. They usually are loosely defined and most use a Post Office from a neighboring town. There are two such communities in South Carolina that have the exact same name, but are in different parts of the state. Should one augment the original entry or create some sort of second entry with a exact or similar name? So... how to handle this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor0663 (talkcontribs) 19:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)